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Post time 2013-3-25 20:53:20 |Display all floors
WhiteBear Post time: 2013-3-25 20:47
of course "date rape" is sexual rape in that meaning, also "party rape", when one person performs s ...

I think we have some very different meanings / interpretations here.   I wouldn't call any of it sexual.
  
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JFenix Post time: 2013-3-25 20:53
I think we have some very different meanings / interpretations here.   I wouldn't call any of it s ...

I respect and understand Your point, while having votum separatum :)

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Post time 2013-3-25 20:57:44 |Display all floors
WhiteBear Post time: 2013-3-25 20:47
of course "date rape" is sexual rape in that meaning, also "party rape", when one person performs s ...

I think even when the thinking is - 'Girls owe me sex, I can take it whenever I want' is still more about power than sexual urges.

With the steubenville case, these were the most popular guys at school.  They weren't starving for sex.  They had girls waiting in line to give themselves to them voluntarily.   What they did was a show of power.

Your not confusing sexual assertiveness with rape are you?  Pressuring someone to have sex and even getting them drunk so you have better chances, is not rape in my opinion.
  
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This post was edited by WhiteBear at 2013-3-25 21:23
JFenix Post time: 2013-3-25 20:51
Do you think the Steubenville case was 'party rape'?  This girl was unconscious.

I don't know details, bus as I understand girl was unconscious under use of alcohol, moreover was a minor (underage). This is (in my opinion) "typical party rape", not caused by power exchange factors, or caused by it in insignificant ratio.

Power exchange or not, it is of course crime, and no sane and self-respecting human being can deny it.

"Pressuring someone to have sex and even getting them drunk so you have better chances, is not rape in my opinion."
- I strongly dissagree.

I have some knowledge and experience about BDSM society, where sometimes happens actions that may seems shocking, but always main rule is SSC (Safe Sane Consensual) or RACK (Risk Aware Consensual Kink).

Without consensuality (when BOTH parties are able to be consent to perform mentioned action) it is a rape.
And what is a consent when one person is drunk? When judgement, and perception is influenced by psychotrophy substances like alcohol, drugs, etc? Can it be conscious decission to allow for example penetration? Not in my book.

When it would be consent to have sexual intercourse under influence of consciouness-changing substances?
When decision is made BEFORE use of mentioned substances, not after.

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WhiteBear Post time: 2013-3-25 21:03
I don't know details, bus as I understand girl was unconscious under use of alcohol, moreover was  ...

Well they used her for a show for their friends.  They actually didn't even penetrate her with their penis, they used their hands.  They also pissed on her while filming it.  The whole point seemed to be humiliation, not sex.  They didn't get anything out of it.
  
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Post time 2013-3-25 21:19:01 |Display all floors
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JFenix Post time: 2013-3-25 21:10
Well they used her for a show for their friends.  They actually didn't even penetrate her with the ...

Are You sure, that manual penetration and pissing was about domination?

Or maybe those (very) young males just tried whet They seen on porn movies?
Sick in my opinion, but more curiosity, and "party mob", then any power exchange.

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WhiteBear Post time: 2013-3-25 21:19
Are You sure, that manual penetration and pissing was about domination?

Or maybe those (very) youn ...

From the reports on the video, it was just pure humiliation.  They were laughing at her.  The bystanders taking pictures were laughing, the boys committing the assault were laughing.  Doesn't seem like there was anything sexual about it.  It was just pure meanness.   They were uploading pictures and sending them off to friends during the assault.  The comments were anything but how hot she looked or desirable.  
  
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