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Post time 2013-1-8 12:38:34 |Display all floors
Excerpt from an essay by Vince Sherman on China and "Market Socialism"


While the Great Leap Forward was an ambitious attempt at laying the industrial foundation necessary to build socialism, the facts are in: China’s gross domestic product (GDP) in 1960, after the GLF, was $68.371 billion. (10) In 2009, China’s GDP sits just under $5 trillion, making it the second largest economy in the world. (11) In other words, the modern Chinese economy is about 73 times the size of its economy following the Great Leap Forward, which was previously the largest socialist economic overhaul in Chinese history.

The cruel irony of Chinese socialism is that the bulk of its international admirers are not ‘leftists’, but rather capitalists. Far from approving of socialism, these capitalists are in awe of China’s manipulation of markets to build a thriving modern society without resorting to free markets. They hate China’s accomplishments and its socialist path, but they cannot deny its thriving success. Even Scissors acknowledges in the same Heritage Foundation article that, “between June 2002 and June 2008, China’s GDP more than tripled and its exports more than quadrupled.” (8)

China’s incredible GDP growth is of vital importance to socialism. Scissors continues:
This rapid GDP growth has created jobs: by the end of June 2008, the unemployment rate among registered urban voters was a mere four percent — even lower than the government’s ambitious target of 4.5 percent. That figure may understate true joblessness by ignoring rural and unregistered urban employment, but it accurately reflects trends in the broader job situation. So many migrant workers from rural areas were absorbed into the urban labor force that the 20 million such workers reported to have lost their jobs in late 2008 still left well over 100 million rural migrants with jobs in cities. (8)

That China can essentially guarantee full employment for workers highlights another way in which the CCP uses markets to advance socialism. In addition to achieving de facto full employment, “Urban wages have climbed significantly, by 18 percent between 2007 and 2008,” representing serious material gains for the Chinese working class. (8)

Unlike the dispossessed masses of capitalist countries, the Chinese masses are consistently more satisfied with and favorable to their own nation’s economy. A July 2008 study conducted by the Pew Global Attitudes Project polled a diverse cross section of people in 24 developed countries, including China prior to the Beijing Olympics. Pew’s findings confirm the popularity of market socialism among the Chinese masses:

“As they eagerly await the Beijing Olympics, the Chinese people express extraordinary levels of satisfaction with the way things are going in their country and with their nation’s economy. With more than eight-in-ten having a positive view of both, China ranks number one among 24 countries on both measures in the 2008 survey by the Pew Research Center’s Pew Global Attitudes Project.” (12)

Incidentally, Pew finds that “Chinese satisfaction with these aspects of life has improved only modestly over the past six years, despite the dramatic increase in positive ratings of national conditions and the economy.” (12) While the Chinese masses celebrate the recent dramatic increase in the nation’s standard of living, the longevity of their satisfaction reflects a deeper relationship with the state.

Among Pew’s most interesting findings was the level of people in China concerned with growing income inequality. While inequality is a chief concern for the dispossessed masses in capitalist countries, the wealthy are not concerned with income inequality at all, as it constitutes the cornerstone of their class. The Chinese masses, however, respond to this critical concern very differently. Pew finds:

“About nine-in-ten (89%) identify the gap between rich and poor as a major problem and 41% cite it as a very big problem. Worries about inequality are common among rich and poor, old and young, and men and women, as well as the college-educated and those with less education. In that regard, despite economic growth, concerns about unemployment and conditions for workers are extensive, with 68% and 56% reporting these as big problems, respectively.” (12)

The universality of concerns about income inequality, concerning even wealthier citizens, demonstrates the continued supremacy of socialist values in China. Cultural norms and values arise from the material conditions and relations of production. If China was a capitalist country, the widespread prevalence of socialist values–cutting across income levels–would not exist. To contend otherwise is to abandon a materialist analysis of culture.

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Post time 2013-1-8 12:49:40 |Display all floors
Lets wait for the hate train to pull into the station

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Post time 2013-1-8 13:03:24 |Display all floors
This post was edited by Prometheus2 at 2013-1-8 13:06

Whoah, this author is an idiot.

The cruel irony of Chinese socialism is that the bulk of its international admirers are not ‘leftists’, but rather capitalists.

Yes because its not socialism but state capitalism. What capitalist on earth would not want a country without unions, low pay and environmental protections. All the 'capitalist' countries have these socialist principles hence why to manufacture they love China.

They hate China’s accomplishments and its socialist path, but they cannot deny its thriving success.

They don't hate China for its socialist path, they love it for its Capitalist path. Why is there so much foreign investment by Capitalist MNC's? They also love China's success because their are more markets for products to the wealthy Chinese which buy capitalist luxury items like BMW's.

Unlike the dispossessed masses of capitalist countries, the Chinese masses are consistently more satisfied with and favorable to their own nation’s economy.

A poll done in urban North Korea would have been even satisfied than China. Does this mean North Korea is better than China?
While inequality is a chief concern for the dispossessed masses in capitalist countries, the wealthy are not concerned with income inequality at all, as it constitutes the cornerstone of their class. The Chinese masses, however, respond to this critical concern very differently.

So he pulls out of thin air that the Western wealthy do not care about income distribution then uses a poll which polls the masses of Chinese (The masses of China are not wealthy) as if to say that the Chinese wealthy care more about income distribution. What a retard. The poll actually reflects the growing income disparity in a supposedly socialist country and the concerns of the masses regarding the super wealthy Chinese. How can the author not see this.

The universality of concerns about income inequality, concerning even wealthier citizens, demonstrates the continued supremacy of socialist values in China.

From what I've heard Chinese wealthy are not the most charitible at all but like to flaunt their wealth. Some of the U.S wealthy give away millions or eradicate Polio etc like Bill Gates. I have yet to hear of any Chinese wealthy doing similiar things. If Chinese 'socialist' values were superior, then why are so many Chinese are voting with their feet.

The author musn't be a socialist or communist as even they are more disgusted with China than the Capitalists. I tried to post an article by Marxists regarding their views on Chinese 'socialism' but it was not blocked. The author is either an idiot or is getting some healthy cheques from a certain government.
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Prometheus2 Post time: 2013-1-8 13:03
Whoah, this author is an idiot.

Woah easy their mate no need to burst a blood vessel because you don't agree with the author's facts.

Don't take it the wrong way but your Marxism-Leninism must be a little rusty or your facts about China are wrong if you can't see that China is in fact a socialist country. A basic reading of The State and Revolution by Lenin and the Selected Works of Deng Xiao Ping should show you where you went wrong

China is not without unions, in fact China was the first country in the world that saw full unionisation of Wal-Mart stores. Unions regularly strike and win large concessions from private companies, unlike in the west where unions have been almost stamped out of existence. So compare the utterly hostile attitude taken by western government's to unions compared with the supportive one taken in China.

Foreign companies invested in Russian resources during the early 1920's, that didn't undermine their complete and utter hatred for the Soviet Union and the freedom of the Soviet people. The fact remains, if you had bothered to read the comment from the capitalist quoted in the article, that foreign private investment in China is highly controlled to maximize the benefit to the Chinese economy while limiting those of the foreign capitalist.

So any poll carried out in China must obviously be wrong but one carried out in the "free" west is trustworthy? Give me a break! It was carried out by a private, independent, US based organisation! The only kind of organisation people such as yourself usually listen to. I guess if you don't agree with the facts it must obviously be propaganda. Please try to be a little more honest with yourself.

I guess you are the retard considering you completely skipped over the sentence: "a diverse cross section of people". A diverse cross section of people means rich and poor! So looks like you are shooting blanks again bub!

A few super rich in the west engaging in philanthropy does not make up for the exploitation they engaged in to gain their wealth in the first place. Since the independent survey from a diverse cross section of people showed that wealthy Chinese care more about these issues I don't see how you can dispute these facts. More importantly though, Chinese people in general are demonstrating socialist consciousness at much greater rates than people in the West which vindicates the decisions of the CPC up to now.

Only idiotic ultra leftists disguising their ridiculous views under the title of "Marxist" are "disgusted" by China. Any significant reading of Marx, Lenin, Stalin or Mao Ze Dong would show that China is doing exactly what is supposed to be done in accordance with Marxism Leninism. Please don't defame ML by linking it to pseudo-revolutionaries who have nothing but ill will towards successful socialist revolutions.

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Post time 2013-1-8 14:19:33 |Display all floors
"socialism"..of course, and Darth Vador is Hello Kitty.

When brainwashed dumbs like you vomit their grotesque propaganda with their las Ipoone, they certainley never go to see in a factory how millions of chinese workers are threaten. When nationalist clowns like you sht their old song like parrots, they just never, never bring htier fatasses into a farm and see what is everyday life of farmers.

Capitalism is exploitation of men by men.
And Chinese socialism?
simple: just the contrary.


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Post time 2013-1-8 14:28:56 |Display all floors
HardTruth Post time: 2013-1-8 14:12

A very balanced article.

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