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Met Police say new 'dumdum' bullets willhelp stop injuries to bystanders

London Evening Standard

11 May 2011


All Met police marksmen are to be issued with hollow point "dum dum" bullets similar to those used to kill the innocent Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes.


Scotland Yard announced that the ammunition was being issued as standard to its firearms officers "in a commitment to making London safer."


Police experts say there is less risk of injuries to innocent parties and bystanders because regular ammunition passes straight through the body, while hollow point ammunition expands and stops when it hits the target.

The so-called "dum dum" bullets were used by police marksman whenthey shot 27-year-old Mr de Menezes at Stockwell underground station in 2005.

Firearms officers believed they were confronting a suicide bomber about to detonate a device and fired seven bullets into his head.

Police said the new ammunition was being introduced today after 12 weeks of testing.

The bullets are used by U.S. air marshals because they kill instantly and do not pass through an aircraft fuselage after hitting a target, unlike conventional bullets.   ( Unless you miss  ..........     {:soso_e120:})

They got their name from "dum dum" ammunition created by the British in an arsenal of the same name near Calcutta, in India, at the end ofthe 19th century.

The ammunition has been outlawed in formal warfare under the Hague Declaration of 1899.


The met said today the ammunition had been used occasionally but 9mm hollow point will now be used as standard in its Glock pistols and Heckler and Koch carbines and soft point 5.56 mm in the G36 rifles.

Commander Jerry Savill, who is in charge of the Met's CO19 firearms section,said : "The occasions we open fire are very few, but when this difficult decision does have to be taken it means we need to stop a subject immediately with as little risk to anyone else as possible.

"Our firearms officers need to be able to rely on their ammunition and this new jacketed hollow point has been proven to be more effective at stopping (euphemism) someone instantly.


This means there is less risk to surrounding members of the public."

In 2009 the Independent Police Complaints Commission raised concern that police use of conventional ammunition may endanger innocent bystanders.

The warning followed the police shooting of David Sycamore outside Guilford Cathedral in November.

Mr. Sycamore was shot and killed with Heckler and Koch G36 rifles and hardshell bullets when he went to the cathedral armed with a replica gun and refused to put it down.

One of the two bullets which hit him then 'went through a window, hit a wall, went through another window and came to rest within the cathedral'.      {:soso_e114:}




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I love this idea ..........  

If you go to London and get accidentally shot like Jean Charles de Menezes with outlawed munitions   ..............

It is guaranteed death  ...........

Whilst your immediate neighbours are inconvenienced by nothing more than a dry laundry bill ...........     





  
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The bullets are used by U.S. air marshals because they kill instantly and do not pass through an aircraft fuselage after hitting a target, unlike conventional bullets.

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Not so!  US Air Marshall's use .22 cal short ammo with a small pistol primer in the business end of the tiny bullet. the primer detonates and destroys the bullet into powdered lead upon hitting any object.

this is the ammo Reagan was shot with. He was shot in the arm pit when he raised his arm to wave, ..the only place not protected by body armor.

No comparison to the ammo carried by Met police.  Newspapers make the story up as they go along.

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The bullets are used by U.S. air marshals because they kill instantly and do not pass through an air ...

Thank you I will take another look at that  ............     



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DHS won't explain its order of 450 million hollow point bullets

After 9/11, the United States government created the Department of Homeland Security to prevent future acts of terrorism and deal with other domestic issues. Now in order to keep doing such, the agency is asking for 450 million hollow point bullets.

The DHS has signed off on an “indefinite delivery” from defense contractors ATK that will include, for some reason, nearly 500 million high-power ammunition for .40 caliber firearms. The department has yet to discuss why they are ordering such a massive bevy of bullets for an agency that has limited need domestically for doing harm, but they say they expect to continue receiving shipments from the manufacturer for the next five years, during which they plan to blow through enough ammunition to execute more people than there are in the entire United States.

“We are proud to extend our track record as the prime supplier of .40 caliber duty ammunition for DHS,” reads an official statement from Ron Johnson, ATK’s president of Security and Sporting, who adds that his group will also be giving up weaponry to the DHS subdivision of ICE, or Immigrations and Custom Enforcement.

While ammunition itself seems not too unreasonable of a request by a major federal entity that emphasizes domestic durability and safeguarding the country from coast to coast, the choice — and quantity — of its hollow point order raises a lot of questions about future plans for the DHS. ATK says they won their contract with the US government by being able to provide them with 450 million HST bullets, which it describes as “the next generation in high performance duty ammunition.”

What does that mean, exactly? On their website, the contractor claims that the ammunition is specifically designed so that it can pass through a variety of obstructions and offers “optimum penetration for terminal performance.” Or, in other words, this is the kind of bullet designed to stop any object dead in its tracks and, if emptied into the hands of the DHS a few hundred million times, just might do as much.

Since its inception, the Department of Homeland Security has not only absorbed ICE and other government entities, but has arguably extended its powers much more broadly than many had imagined. Under the recently authorized Trespass Bill, H.R. 347, protesters that allegedly disrupt occurrences acknowledged by the DHS of being a National Special Security Event will be charged with a federal crime. As the DHS gains more and more ground in fighting terrorism domestically, the US at the same time has turned the tables to make its definition of terrorist way less narrow. With any American blogger or free thinking on the fringe of what the government can go after under H.R. 347, or the National Defense Authorization Act that allows for the indefinite detention of US citizens without charge, the DHS could just be blasting through what’s left of its budget to make sure that its roster of agents across the country can get in their target practice over the next few years.

Of course, the government might just want to ensure that each one of those agents is more than able to assassinate Americans not just around the globe, but on their own soil. After all, for all of those angsty alleged Americans engaged in terrorism abroad, the US has the largest military in the history of the world to deal with them. In that case, they could argue that it only makes sense to equip their armed forces at home as well.

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The source is RT and I do not claim the veracity of this article ………
The OP is about the Metropolitan Police in the UK and can be verified ……..


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At a dinner party recently some Americans were discussing why the US (allegedly) had ordered nearly 5 million bullets of this type for internal use  ..........

Their suggestion ran along the same lines as your comment ..........   




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