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Gun Crime: Is China Safer than the West?   [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2012-3-15 05:57:51 |Display all floors
robert237 Post time: 2012-3-15 05:38
I did look at the map in post #4.
The states that have a higher homicide rate are the most populat ...

the map IS exactly about per capita rates,
so your argument is invalid and you tried to twist stats by explaining lower per capita of some states with their lower population sizes.
Look at finland in the map, if you find it, and check their population and population density.

lame try, just either stop comparing apples and oranges (developing countries and industrialised countries) or stop whining around when that just doesn't work out for you and accept that a developing country will hardly stand up to it.

If you want to make a comparison that works look at the other developing countries in the map,
that really doesn't look too bad.
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LCSULLA Post time: 2012-3-15 05:57
the map IS exactly about per capita rates,
so your argument is invalid and you tried to twist stat ...

Robert's argument is perfectly valid and is supported by a hard fact:

While in China firearms are restricted to army and police force, meaning that any other person in possesion of a firearm is a criminal even before using it, in the US a driving license and 5 days wait will get you a machine gun completely legal.

Ask anyone who has lived for a time here and they will all tell you that what makes this coutnry different to the west is that it is much safer.

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Post time 2012-3-15 07:45:01 |Display all floors
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longzhou Post time: 2012-3-15 07:31
Robert's argument is perfectly valid and is supported by a hard fact:

While in China firearms are ...

machine gun?
Cool story, hombre,
try telling that to the ATF when they bust you for your illegal stocks of firearms.
oh, please, you really can't even stay honest at all, even where it would be easy, to argue whilst staying honest, can you?
machine guns are legal in switzerland, which is still much safer than china in homocides/capita and they're widespread there.
But in the US?
Well, they aren't
Robert gave lower *total* population size as a reason for a lower *per capita ratio*.
That is lame, it's just desperate, valid argument you say?
Only makes you just as ridiculous.

How about you took a look at the map?
China is better than most other developing countries in this regard,
but why all the security and fences and gated communities?
The locals know,
it ain't much safer than the west as a whole,
except you define "the west" as the americas as a whole,
the west in geograpical sense.
Including all those spic nations.
Comparing with western europe, no it isn't safer.
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Post time 2012-3-15 08:30:01 |Display all floors
LCSULLA Post time: 2012-3-14 13:57
the map IS exactly about per capita rates,
so your argument is invalid and you tried to twist stat ...

This is like trying to explain something to a child who wants to keep his little guns.
The vast majority of the population in the U.S. is in the states that are darker in color
than China.
How much more time do I have to waste trying to explain the obvious to you?
But you only want to believe in whatever allows you to feel better about keeping a gun
under your bed.
If capitalism promotes innovation and creativity then why aren't scientists and artists the richest people in a capitalist nation?

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Post time 2012-3-15 09:02:11 |Display all floors
robert237 Post time: 2012-3-15 08:30
This is like trying to explain something to a child who wants to keep his little guns.
The vast ma ...

>implying I had any gun under my bed.
It's people like you, obviously who are the security threat, or in your case, just the potential one.
Can't get the concept of handling stuff with care and responsibly, thus unable to do so, and want to solve that issue by just outright forbidding anyone to do so.

Within "the West" as the developed countries, there still isn't any correlation between gun laws and homocide rates. Switzerland as a western industrial country is even heavier armed per capita than the US, more liberal gun laws too, still one of the safest places.
Mexico has stricter gun laws than you, and still look at it in the map.
Look at Europe, what's the exemption from the generally very light shade of blue?
Finland.
Proving that knives can get you a high homocide rate too.
There isn't any correlation between gun laws and homocide rate within the west.

If you want to try make a case, compare china with other compareable developing countries,
that'd actuallly work, rather well so.
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Post time 2012-3-15 09:14:57 |Display all floors
It's too late for the U.S. and practically all the illegal guns in Mexico come from the U.S.
Have you stopped to think that they countries that have gun laws are trying to get control
of all the gun violence in their countries. No, of course you haven't. You love guns too much.
In the case of China it's not too late. They have good gun laws in place now and they should
learn from the mistakes of others and not loosen their gun laws.
I'd rather take my chances with a mugger carrying a knife than a mugger carrying a gun.

Oh, and if you argue about responsibility such as 'guns don't kill people, people kill people'
then you must also agree that we should make it legal to sell dynamite and other high
explosives in the neighborhood department store. You'd also have to agree that we should
make it legal to manufacture and distribute hydrogen bombs. After all, no hydrogen bomb
has ever exploded unintentionally. Hydrogen bombs don't kill people, people kill people.
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Post time 2012-3-15 09:29:02 |Display all floors
robert237 Post time: 2012-3-15 04:47
Yes, so by that argument why not sell dynamite and C4 in your neighborhood hardware store.
We can  ...

Yes.

You argument only reinforced my assertion.
We are all prisoners of our own device.

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