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Post time 2011-11-10 20:06:34 |Display all floors

Interesting thread Here...... and comments

Like them or hate them, a lot can be learned from the U S of A.
Like them or hate them, they have become the most powerful and advanced nation this world has ever seen in their short life span as a nation.
Like them or hate them, their founding ideologies based on a republic with a democracy encompassing a free market capitalist society is a game changer in the world's nations today.
Like them or hate them, we all must live with them on this third rock from the sun.

U S of A, liken to a hemorrhoid. Every time they show up they're a pain in the a$$. But you know, hemorrhoids only hurt a$$holes.

No nation has a perfect past and all nations have their skeletons in the closet. Not that I'm giving a pass to the U S of A for all of it's atrocities, and there are many in that short existence of theirs. But if you're going to throw stones from which ever corner of the world you hale from, you should look around at your glass house too. A little prudence would be advised.

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Post time 2011-11-11 00:25:56 |Display all floors
[quote]Originally posted by 延陵堂 at 2011-11-10 01:10

you mean the same way you saved the jews from germany? if the usa was so busy saving people, then why did the usa facilitate the rise of militant germany and japan? bring them up and tear them do ... [/quote']

It's sad that you come on an English speaking US edition foruman hide behind Chinese Characters..........You need to reveal yourself
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Post time 2011-11-11 00:30:32 |Display all floors
Originally posted by keenobserver at 2011-11-10 17:12

I read daily but only have the patience to post occasionally. Most posts remind me of what Harry Callahan said: "opinions are like as-h-les...everybody has one."

so much bitterness
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Post time 2011-11-11 08:59:42 |Display all floors



Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of an internet forum

(by HunAvar of pravda forum)

I thought. you NEED to know...
THIS FORUM is at Technique #6 (read below)

COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of an internet forum
It's rare to encounter a forum that is not overrun with shills. This is their modus operandi.

Posted by MikeWB at The Information Underground:

COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of an internet forum:

There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'

Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'

If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.


A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'

Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.


Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.

Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'

Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.


It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.


Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.


Pravda forum has the same problems that this forum faces from the Anglos!

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Post time 2011-11-11 11:58:04 |Display all floors
Originally posted by sunshineman at 2011-11-10 18:32
In Good Old USA, If your not Anglo-American, you'll always be OUTSIDER, period!  

I would like to disagree with this statement. The US have lots of flaws (and yes they would have preferred the victory of Nazi Germany over the USSR as it would have been easier to deal with but this was at the beginning of the war), but at least you can manage there and be proud to be american, even when you are naturalized (see the example of Schwarzenegger) or from foreign origins (Obama, Steve Jobs, too many examples here).

I think your statement is something that fits China more than the US unfortunately. I've been living in China for 7 years now and I could live here for 70 more years, I'll always be a laowai. If you go to the US, you'll be an american first. That's because the US is a country of immigration.

Note that it is not only limited to China, most Asian Countries I've been to are like that, because they are not immigration countries unlike the US, France, the UK or Australia.

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Post time 2011-11-12 10:21:10 |Display all floors

You got question, I got answer!

    Why is it that Uncle Sam's good old U.S is the one and only nation (among a group of Anglos such as Canada, U.K,

Australia and New Zealand), that does not have fair and square social democratic system ( in terms of education,

health care, welfare, etc)?!

     It is because Other Anglo nations are overhelmingly Anglo majority (over 90%), but United States on the other hand is

Anglo minority with less than 15% of total population.

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Post time 2011-11-12 11:16:18 |Display all floors
Originally posted by horatiokim at 2011-11-12 10:21

    Why is it that Uncle Sam's good old U.S is the one and only nation (among a group of Anglos such as Canada, U.K,

Australia and New Zealand), that does not have fair and ...

You're post doesn't make much sense. First, I'm sure the Anglo "minority" as you call it is much higher than 15%. Second, the other population groups that make up the majority of the population when combined with this Anglo "minority" are descendents of the Dutch, Scandinavians and Germans. These countries all have vast social welfare systems. The fact is that few Americans who are not recent immigrants relate much to the countries where their ancestors came from, and most came at a time when there were no social welfare systems to speak of in any country.
Furthermore, to say that the US doesn't have social welfare systems in place is wrong. There is free education through high school, state universities, welfare, food stamps, unemployment insurance, amongst other programs. the one thing the US doesn't have like all other developed nations is universal health care. There is, however, Medicare for the elderly, and Medicaid for those that can't afford private hospitals or don't have adequate insurance coverage. The number of people in the latter category has grown to an alarming amount.
The reason there are so many people in the US that have fallen below the poverty line is that there has been an assault on the working people and the labor movement over the last 35 odd years that has resulted in lower real wages, no job security, diminished health care insurance, elimination of company pension plans and an outsourcing of what were decent paying (unionized manufacturing and service) jobs to countries where labor is cheaper. The industrial and financial elite in the US have seen their personal wealth skyrocket as they are realizing huge profits on all fronts from a rising stock market to overseas operations. At the same time their tax rates have plummeted and loopholes to avoid or defer taxes have risen. These two facts, lower wages for workers and lower taxes paid by the wealthy, have eroded the US government's tax base at all four levels of government. This has resulted in increased US government debt.
To maintain the illusion of an increasing standard of living for the average citizen, borrowing became much easier as lending regulations and guidelines to risk management were thrown out by elected officials (the handmaids of the private elite). Consumption rose as did debt. When this house of cards collapsed in 2008, it resulted in the economic mess of today, where the people have no money to help themselves, and the government has no money to help the people.
The wealthy and the corporations are, however, sitting on trillions and trillions of dollars of cash, securities and fixed assets, both in the US and abroad.

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