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Analysis: China's Pseudo Christianity [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2011-9-13 17:32:04 |Display all floors
Chinese tend to become more like continental European Christians than like Anglo-American Christians - and that's the main diffrence you're observing.

In the end of the day, Christianism's main message is: love everyone around you.
This includes not cheating, acting moral, work for improving the world, accept people who are against you and so on.

This became the rood of western wealth - although western people did and do not always obey to these principles by any means either. The important point is the general believe of what is good.
Thus, I believe if Chinese take European Christianism, adapt it to China, take its advantages and abandon its disadvantages, it can really help China as a whole, too. And in the end, the Westerns will again learn from the Chinese Christianism.

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Post time 2011-9-13 20:52:04 |Display all floors
I consider #9 a standard Chinese misunderstanding of Christianity. People like you remind me of the Ching Dynasty Queen Cixi. She eventually understood the West, but it came to late. Look at the following facts:

1. When Christianity flourished, Europe was kept behind China for centuries. It is called the European Dark Age.

2. It was only after Europe finally abandoned Christianity, it starts to flourish. Renaissance scientists suffered severe persecution and suppression at the hands of Christianity.

3. From Latin America to Africa, Christianity, with its anti-science core, continuous to hold these nations back. Christianity is net financial loss.

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Post time 2011-9-13 20:55:36 |Display all floors
Also for #9, Christians main message is NOT "love everyone around you". We can witness the facts by looking at the history of Christianity in North Africa and Europe. It is more Matthew 10:34. Christians main message is: there is ONE Ghod. He is to be worshiped. The interests of the church is above state. The power of the church is above state. Followers use childhood indoctrination to propagate the religion. None believers of the religion will be punished eternally.

The very doctrine of Christianity is to "discriminate the different".

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Post time 2011-9-13 21:40:11 |Display all floors
It was only after Europe finally abandoned Christianity, it starts to flourish


So far it didn't...

However, if we want to clarify this whole topic, we need first to make sure that we're talking about the same thing. I believe that your concept of Christianity is equal to the old concept of catholicism (including crusaders, missions and so on) which nearly doesn't exist anymore. With abandon Christinaty, you therefore mean the Reformation, thus abandon the concept that only the priest is the connection to god and everyone has to obey the priest and the church.

This was the first step to European enlightment and the first step on the way to free mind, free will, binding written law and ultimately also wealth.

I, however, ment the whole Christian philosophy, which shares various elements with Chinese daoism and buddhism, too - and is the moral framework for western wealth. I didn't understand this before having lived in both, China and Europe, for several years. But this isn't the reason why more and more Chinese turn to Christianity (or other religions).

Many Chinese are morally confused, especially in my generation - their religion is wealth, their philosophy is money and they feel that they can't reach enlightment because they've got neither. Before, when China was still a entirely communist country, people had something to believe in: a society where all are the same, everyone works for everyone and takes care of everyone. In such a situation, you don't need a religion - everyone around you shares the same dream and a church would even be an elitist institution that partly threatens the dream (cf. Marx). But now, in our modern world, most people mainly care about gaining wealth to buy things. They work a lot, they get a little money and show it off in the hope to be appreciated by others - but they always feel empty. Religion offers here a helping hand - in front of god (or buddha or any higher being) we're all the same, we're all men - and we're appreciated by god if we take good care of each other. In such an environment, people will start to feel much happier, because they're living and working for something again, they know what is the right thing to do. And I believe that's why more and more people in China join a religion.

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Post time 2011-9-13 22:39:35 |Display all floors
To #12
If you are Chinese, I strongly believe you are an example of Chinese misunderstanding of Christianity.

Living in Europe for a few years do not give you the insight into Christianity. You need to live, continuously and out of your own money, for at least 10 years to fully understand how Christianity works. To understand the devastation of Protestantism to a nation, you will also need to live in the US for another 10 years in the same fashion. If you have not lived in the US, you have not seen how Christianity polarizes US society, bring extremes and violence at an extremely high cost. As of today, Evolution and abortion are still deeply resented in most parts of the US. Protestantism, which abandon priesthood, is not one step forward. The resulting reality can be testified if you have lived in the US.

European enlightenment is clearly associated with the decline of Christianity, both Protestantism and Catholicism. The conflicts still break out in various parts such as North Ireland protest and Polish hate crimes. European wealth is associated, not with Christianity, but with its colonization of the new world, sailing techniques, military power, industrial revolution and the freedom gained from the decline of Christianity.

The concept of crusading and missionary are live and well. This is especially evident in the US war on terror (against the other religion). This religious clash and crusades are continuing today, right now. They are very costly. It is a conflict deeply rooted in religion. Christianity does not bring people happiness. I first-handedly witnessed how fearful and scared the US and EU Christians are. They are people living in constant fear of nonbelievers, nonwhites, and in constant hatred against diversity. Christianity, or religion, scientifically gives people MORE stress than happiness.

People do not need to believe in Christianity to address the so-called "empty" feelings. I agree that people should have something to believe in. People should believe in science and the selected Chinese traditional morals. If the Chinese people feel empty after busy work, they should be organized to vacation, to shop, to join charity events. They should not waste their time to be fearful of hell punishment and be taught fear. Chinese people should have the freedom to use their "empty time" to read a diversity of books, but not to be forced to worship just one book called the Christian Bible. If you live in China, go to parks in the morning and watch the Taichi and dances. They are very happy by physical exercises along.  Such activities are much better and healtheir than sitting in a church for the morning.

In fact, the claimed "feeling of emptiness" is rooted in a Christian belief that "every human desires Ghod". The reason Christians feel dearly the need for Ghod is rooted in their childhood upbringing. The social divide caused by the Christian doctrine can be seen in from the War in Iraq, Afghanistan to the racism in the US and Australia. Asking Chinese people to believe in Christianity is a detour away from a best possible society. It creates a force that, indeed, kept Europe in economical backwater during the Dark Age. The same religion creates a Pandora's box of problems from Africa to South America. People should not believe in something that does not exist and punish nonbelievers. Christianity is fundamentally different from Taoism. Taoism preaches "No God and Do Nothing". It is against Christianity in every sense, morally or practically.

The US has officially abandoned the former way of claiming "all religions worship one god". It did not work and it caused a lot of anger among different religious groups. The fundamental item is a fact that I share with  Stephen Hawking: there is truly no god. Once you understand it, you will see religion is wrong. It belongs to the past and the backwardness.

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Post time 2011-9-14 02:28:42 |Display all floors

Reply #13 timbatu's post

Stephen Hawking is correct, there is no God.
But he is educated and can handle the truth.

However,
The average Chinese superstition is much more of a headache than  Christianity. hahahahahahahahahahahahah

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Post time 2011-9-14 22:42:27 |Display all floors
Revolutionar, Christianity is a bigger draw back to society.

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