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Originally posted by Bilbo Baggins at 2011-4-11 23:40
U.S.(U.K. and rest of Anglo Fourth Reich strategy)revealed

A very interesting article ...........

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Post time 2011-4-12 01:55:23 |Display all floors
Originally posted by TrollMasta at 2011-4-11 22:42
>implying the Russian Bear can't maul any mother who challenges it

No ----.

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Post time 2011-4-12 02:08:24 |Display all floors
Nato is the adult

China , still scared of Ai Wei Wei, is the child in the family of nations.
and Russia is Dennis the menace.

for peace and prosperity, Nato must remain strong and united.

and I hope the Germans sack that Merkel woman for she dont know what she is doing.

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RE: "Encircling Russia, Targeting China, NATO'S True Role ..

Is the US encircling China?


Based in New Delhi, Aijaz Ahmad has appeared many times on The Real News Network; he is Senior Editorial Consultant, and political commentator for the Indian newsmagazine, Frontline. He has taught Political Science, and has written widely on South Asia and the Middle East.


PAUL JAY, SENIOR EDITOR, THE REAL NEWS NETWORK: Welcome back to our interview with Aijaz Ahmad, where we ask the question, what would be a rational foreign policy for the United States? Now, one of the people who's maybe most rational in US foreign policy circles is Democratic Senator Webb. Webb's an interesting fellow who opposes aggressive talk against Iran, who has opposed the Kyl-Lieberman Amendment declaring the Iranian Revolutionary Guard terrorist, and in many people's eyes is a silver voice. But when he gives his argument about Iran, he says the reason not to get involved in a fight with Iran is because our strategic enemy�and I believe those were his words�is China. And the issue of the encirclement of China in the earlier interview you and I did, you made the point that part of the reason for the war in Afghanistan is to have a place for bases which are strategically positioned vis-�-vis China. This idea that there needs to be US military might in relation to China is a core assumption going forward in US foreign policy. What do you make of it?

AIJAZ AHMAD, SENIOR NEWS ANALYST, THE REAL NEWS NETWORK: Two or three things, Paul, to start with. One is that this way of thinking itself, this conception, is a hangover from the old days of the Cold War, where there was a Soviet Union, the great strategic competitor. Today the tendency in that kind of argument is to elevate China to that particular position of strategic enemy. That's one. Secondly, China has no policy of encircling the United States. Why should the United States have such a policy?

JAY: The counter-argument, I think, would be [that] the Chinese economy is going to be within the next 20, 30, 40 years so massively bigger than anyone else's, including the United States', that in terms of competing with China either for raw materials or for markets, China's going to wind up simply having many advantages, including cheaper labor, a bigger market, capital, and so on, and that the only card, perhaps, the US has to play in that competition will be a military card. I would think that would be their counter-argument.

AHMAD: Well, first of all, that's a very, very irrational argument�if you lose out in peaceful economic competition, you should just go and invade some country. You know, that's an extremely irrational argument and a frightening one. Whether or not China will get there, we don't know. Whether or not China will get to a point where it will build that kind of armed forces, we do not know. As of now, Chinese posture is completely defensive. There are three or four points that I'd like to make on this, Paul. First of all, China has not fought a war outside its territory since the Korean War. For the last 60 years, China has had no troops beyond its territory. Its military expenditures, when you look at it, is essentially�even its nuclear program is essentially defensive in character. It is frightened that it will be attacked by the United States. China is seeking economic advantage in terms of resource provision in Asia and Africa. It's very interesting. They are paying whatever price people ask them to pay, and they offer not only abstract aid in money, but Chinese workers just come and build railways and this, that, and the other, and so on. So they are making a straight economic argument and building up a sort of prestige capital, that here is an economic power that doesn't coerce us. It does not set out to tell any country what its internal social system should be, because it has not arrogated to itself the power of policing the world either militarily or politically.

JAY: What do you make of the theory that there's something that even has a name, been coined "the string of pearls"? And this is the idea of China building influence and perhaps some kind of military presence through Southeast Asia, including this new port that's being built in Pakistan just south of the Iranian border, which apparently gives China naval rights, not just commercial rights�naval military rights. Is there any evidence that China has such capacity or is building that?

AHMAD: Well, first of all, the Gwadar base that you're talking about in Pakistan has been under construction for the last 40 years. This is nothing new. It's new in the media. Nothing new. By naval facilities for the Chinese, what they're calling naval facilities, is the right of the Chinese to use that port as a port of call, as its commercial navy.

JAY: It's very strategic, in theory overlooks the principal oil routes of most Middle Eastern oil heading out to the marketplace.

AHMAD: Paul, if it was that strategic, the Chinese would have got it built 40 years ago, when they started construction. The idea has been very simple. The Chinese built a very large, very wonderful four-lane road across the high Himalayas that connect China with Pakistan for entry into trade with Pakistan primarily, but also perhaps for some export, which cuts the route for the Chinese a lot. That is how the idea of Gwadar came up, that the Karachi port could not handle all of that. The fact of the matter is that Pakistan, which is itself a growing economy, has only one port, which is Karachi, which is its naval base, which is its commercial port, and so on and so forth. So there has been a great interest in Pakistan itself to build another port.

JAY: So if I understand correctly, what you're saying is that this assumption in most US foreign policy circles that there's going to be a contention with China for dominance in the world is a wrong assumption�it presupposes that China's going to try to achieve this kind of dominance and/or that the US has to maintain its dominance.

AHMAD: I won't say it is wrong. There is no criterion by which it can be proved that it is right or wrong. It is so hypothetical. There are no facts on the ground that justify it as the reality. So it's purely hypothetical. United States maintains 1,000 bases around the world, just port-of-call facilities in a country with which China has had 60 years of extremely friendly relations becomes somehow the justification for all of this paraphernalia around the world. It's completely irrational.

JAY: In the next segment of our discussions, let's go further into the question of what it would mean for the United States to be an equal country amongst other nations. Please join us for the next segment of our discussions with Aijaz Ahmad.


Please note that TRNN transcripts are typed from a recording of the program; The Real News Network cannot guarantee their complete accuracy.
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expatter Post time: 2011-4-12 01:22

See.. I knew the French were to blame somewhere along the line :p

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The so called 'spat' between hardline leaders in Washington and the leadership of its most loyal vassal state shows that there are limits to what supposed "allies" can stomach if their future economic wellbeing is put in jeopardy. Most geopolitically enlightened European leaders are acutely aware of the inexorable shift in economic power from West to East and know there is nothing they can do about it.Shifts in economic power inevitably lead to shifts in political and military power. They have therefore quite sensibly opted to jump on the bandwagon and profit handsomely by fostering economic links with the winning side. China Rusia India and the rest of the BRICS. This will inevitably mean that the USA plays an increasingly less important role at least economically in Europe.The now unstoppable rise of the BRICS nation is a sign of things to come. Will NATO exist in 20 or 30 years time? Wise leaders in Europe are simply repositioning their countries in the harsh light of geopolitical and economic realities. Who can blame them? Why hang around losers?

Also the Ukraine crisis has forced European leaders to re-examine their relationship with a Neoconservative dominated Washington . The insane Ideology of the Washington based small but very powerful Neoconservative cabal that has driven much of the USA’s foreign policy in recent decades is increasingly being seen for what it is: a very dangerous, reckless and very destructive ideology that has led to disasters in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen causing the displacement of millions of people, the maiming and deaths hundreds of thousands of people in about half a dozen countries. And now most frightening of all these insane ideologues now want to take their destabilizing activities to the backyard of one of the world's most powerful nuclear states, Russia.
It is frightening to think that the fate of the human race may rest on the actions of just a handful of demented and hubristic characters in Washington: This list includes Victoria Nuland, her husband Robert Kagan , Vice President John Kerry and the blustering General Breedlove NATO commander in Europe. These are the arrogant and reckless characters who determine USA foreign policy and by extension that of its European vassal states. Victoria Nuland's utter contempt for the EU was laid bare when her hacked telephone conversation was published on line. Her expletive laden opinion of the EU and it leadership is too offensive to reproduce here.


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