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Google's defiance of China's censorship rules resulted in the world's most popular search engine being pulled out of the country 12 months ago. This year, the dispute may be spilling over to Gmail and maps.

As of yesterday, China's State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping hadn't received an application from Google to keep offering its service, as required under regulations announced in May, according to Kou Jingwei, the bureau's spokesman. Jessica Powell, a Google spokeswoman, declined to comment on whether the company has applied. The deadline is tomorrow.

As Baidu widens its lead in the world's largest Web market, a discontinuation of the mapping service would signal Google's dimming outlook in China, according to analysts, after the company blamed local censors for disruptions in its e-mail service.

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The latest clash shows the government hasn't forgiven the Google's decision to halt compliance with censorship rules on Internet searches, said Christopher Tang, a professor of business administration at UCLA.

“Google faces major problems within China,” Tang said. “Unless Google is going to change the way they operate, unless they are willing to apologize to the Chinese government, unless they are willing to cooperate with the Chinese government to impose censorship according to the wishes of the Chinese government. Otherwise, there's no deal.”

National security

China introduced a new licensing system for Internet mapping services in May to “address illegal practices” and an “inadequate awareness of national security,” the official Xinhua News agency reported March 21. Since 2008, online mapping services have committed more than 1,000 violations including unauthorized disclosure of confidential information and mistakes in drawing the country's border, Xinhua reported.

As of mid-February, the bureau had granted licenses to 105 websites for mapping services, including Baidu, Sina Corp., a Nokia joint venture and China Mobile, Xinhua said. The bureau has pledged to close unapproved websites.

The Bureau said applications for license must be made by March 31, to avoid “administrative actions” it will take by July 1. The Bureau this month vowed “resolute punishment for serious violations,” such as closing websites, Xinhua said.

“We are examining the regulations to understand their impact on our maps products in China,” Google said in a statement.

Google in July was able to renew its Internet-service license in China through 2012, even after shuttering its Google.cn site in China and redirecting users to a Hong Kong site. The company had said it was no longer willing to comply with online censorship rules on topics such as Tiananmen Square crackdown in 1989 and Tibet independence.

'Unacceptable' claim

In the latest round of friction, Google accused local censors of disrupting its Gmail e-mail service and disguising the blockage as technical issues on Google's behalf.

China's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu on March 22 called that claim “unacceptable.”

A March 4 opinion piece in the official People's Daily, the mouthpiece of China's Communist Party, compared Google with the British East India Company, whose sales of opium in the country was the root of two 19th-century conflicts.

“In the 17-19th centuries, the East India Company made their contribution for the development of a British Empire where "the sun never sets" through the monopoly of trade, the opium trade and openly looting,” the People's Daily piece said. “Google is essentially similar to the East India Company, but is smarter in its performance than the East India Company. Google does not burn and loot, and they are also good at camouflage.”

Opium war

China fought the first Opium War with the British Empire in 1839-42, and a second from 1856-1860.

Beyond Google's own history of conflict with China's censors, the company is now also being perceived as a greater threat to the government in light of popular unrest throughout North Africa and the Middle East that has already brought down regimes in Tunisia and Egypt, said James Lewis, senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington-based policy group.

“Google's caught in some larger political issues,” Lewis said. “It's a very big problem, and the events in the Middle East have made it a little bit bigger.”

Google executive Wael Ghonim helped set up a website for Egypt opposition leader Mohamed ElBaradei as anti-government protests in the Middle Eastern country toppled President Hosni Mubarak. Ghonim's 11-day detention turned him into a hero for a disaffected Egyptian youth.

Blocking Facebook

China, the world's largest Internet market with 457 million Web users, bans pornography, gambling and content critical of the ruling Communist Party. It already blocks Google's YouTube site as well as social-networking websites run by Facebook Inc. and Twitter Inc.

The People's Daily piece, which also called Google “a tool of US expansionism and hegemony,” ran on other popular websites in China including Tencent Holdings's QQ.com and Sina Corp.

Without specifically commenting on the People's Daily piece, Mountain View, California-based Google denied that the US government meddles in its affairs.

“Contrary to assertions made by the Chinese media, every decision we have made regarding China has been made by Google alone,” the company said March 7 in an e-mailed reply to Bloomberg News.

Widening gap

Baidu accounted for 75.5 per cent of China's search-engine market by revenue in the fourth quarter, rising from 73 per cent in the previous three months, according to research company Analysys International. Google's share dropped to 19.6 per cent from 21.6 per cent, the research firm said.

Google may fall further behind as companies such as Sina, owner of China's third-most-visited website, said it dropped Google's search engine to use its proprietary technology.

Google's China business is “immaterial to the overall financials,” so the value of its operations in the country has more to do with the future than the present, said Clay Moran, an analyst at Benchmark Co. who rates the shares “buy” and doesn't own any.

China contributed about 1 per cent of revenue before it changed its approach in the country to search early last year, Moran estimates.

Sina stopped using Google's search service after the expiry of a contract, Liu Qi, a spokesman at Chinese Web portal operator, said in an e-mail today. The Shanghai-based company will instead use its own proprietary technology, he said.

“It's a lot less strategic than it was a year or two ago,” Moran said. “Investors prefer to see Google maintaining a position in the country so that it can potentially benefit from growth in the future.”

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What might be a setback for Google's business in China,

means an increase in   r e s p e c t    for Google's ethical principles.

Google, you are on the right path - leave the "bowing" and submission to Baidu.

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Post time 2011-3-30 20:37:47 |Display all floors
I show my respect to Google.
I usually visit google.co.uk. However, I can't visit it on March.
Now I can't visit google.com and google.hk from time to time yet.

Whether  the problem was created by the censoring system of Central government, or the censoring system of local government, or the censoring system of the internet service provider (government-owned company), it a shame reality of China.

Again, I show my respect to Google. I prefer to get Google's services, especially for english materails.

Stupid Censoring system. Good Google services.

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Post time 2011-3-30 20:39:10 |Display all floors
Originally posted by 468259058 at 2011-3-30 20:37
I show my respect to Google.
I usually visit google.co.uk. However, I can't visit it on March.
Now I can't visit google.com and google.hk from time to time yet.

Whehter  the problem was create ...


german language sites are not censored at all in the first place.
您买象牙 - 您杀了大象!
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU1Nzg0NDky.html - “用现代文明标准比划中国人,是严重的种族歧视行为。”
„Ich ficke wo, wen, und wann ich will, hast du mich verstanden. Auch du könntest ficken, aber du kannst es ja gar nicht, deine deutsche Genauigkeit... verbietet es dir“. Jean-Claude Juncker

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Originally posted by LCSULLA at 2011-3-30 20:39
german language sites are not censored at all in the first place.


I did learn deutsch ten years ago. But have forgotten almost all of them already.

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Post time 2011-3-30 20:48:24 |Display all floors
Originally posted by 468259058 at 2011-3-30 20:41


I did learn deutsch ten years ago. But have forgotten almost all of them already.


You see,

chinese who manage to learn german,
and manage to keep that language knowledge,
are usually almost certainly intelligent enough how to handle online information.

thus, the only blocked german language, german hosted site i could name you,

is the german hacker's association, Chaos Computer Club site,
for the sake of it's official abbreviation, and the resulting URL: ccc.de
nothing else that I'd know of.
您买象牙 - 您杀了大象!
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU1Nzg0NDky.html - “用现代文明标准比划中国人,是严重的种族歧视行为。”
„Ich ficke wo, wen, und wann ich will, hast du mich verstanden. Auch du könntest ficken, aber du kannst es ja gar nicht, deine deutsche Genauigkeit... verbietet es dir“. Jean-Claude Juncker

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Post time 2011-3-30 20:55:01 |Display all floors
Originally posted by humanlife at 2011-3-30 19:19
What might be a setback for Google's business in China,

means an increase in   r e s p e c t    for Google's ethical principles.

Google, you are on the right path - leave the "bowing&quo ...

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A few days ago, your friend JFenix claims Google is NOT complaining about ethical issue. What Google complain is about hackers. Now you have contradicted him. I will bump up my Google related threads for you:

1. Google racism in real case.
2. Google ban forwarding email to 163.com

Gmail forbids me to forward to 163.com

I have some lawyers documents that I want to send to 163.com for back up.
Gmail banned me from doing it the day before yesterday.
I was able to forward to yahoo mail, then forward again from yahoo mail to 163 to be successful.
Yahoo mail forwarding was banned today as well.
I think it is a shame that the US Nazis are so disrespectful of such basic human rights.
I will publish everything on the internet within a month or two.
Shame to racist google.
How dare you racist Christian White monsters preach anything to China?

3. Google nanny demands user to use gmail - a CIA tool

Google and US need to respect Internet Freedom
While the US government loves to lecture China, one would be shocked that each youTube account must be linked to a Gmail account - a known CIA monitored vehicle.
What is the qualification for the US to preach any form of freedom to China?
The US protestant Christians are told a self-righteous and Sinophobic views since childhood. They are radically critical of China. This pattern is seen clearly in many US politicians. Their accusations of China are rooted in groundless folktales, religious bigotry and profound racism.

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