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Post time 2011-2-1 09:05:44 |Display all floors
US Men killing Civillians with illegal firearms, over-speeding & Traffic Violations – “Diplomats” gone Nuts or Well-trained Spies’ mission gone bad? Part 1 Omer Zaheer Meer's Blog

Recently 3 Innocent lives were lost in the heart of Islamic Republic of Pakistan while more than a dozen people including women and children were severely injured, unfortunately at the hands of Americans roaming around suspiciously in busy areas of the city of Lahore with illegal arms and driving at high-speed breaking the one-way traffic route and crushing innocent bystanders and bicyclists under their 4×4.

The incident raised many questions while flaming the emotions of a strategically placed nuclear-nation of 180 Million people with a freed Judiciary, powerful military, unpopular government and powerful media, all crying out loud for just one thing …………………….

JUSTICE WITHOUT COMPROMISE

Before proceeding further on the matter, let us examine the matter with the stances from different sides, eyewitness accounts, the relatives of the murder victims and injured, public at large, stance of one of the culprits (remember his accomplice and the murderer who was driving the 4×4 fled the scene) Pakistan’s Government and the USA’s official stance.

Eyewitness Accounts:

The picture of the incident as reported through the words of eyewitnesses emerge as below:

a) The area was highly congested and traffic move very closely (it is very normal for people in the city and in many western cities including in Central London)

b) The American (called as Raymond Davis) shot at the back of two bike riders

c) One of them died on the spot

d) The other was in his dying moments when Raymond started taking pictures and making video of his dying moments and his dead companion

e) There was NO apparent provocation

f)When asked why he killed them he said he “acted in self-defense” in “URDU” the local national language which American Diplomats usually CANNOT speak.

g) He also shot at the Traffic Warden while trying to flee

h) When surrounded by cops and public and stuck in traffic Raymond pointed his weapons at the cops initially

i) The 4×4 which came to his rescue got stuck in traffic near jail road, Lahore and decided to break the law by entering the wrong side of a busy road at very HIGH speeds and killed atleast one innocent motorcyclist on the spot while injuring some pedestrians

j) While trying to flee Raymond hit a Rickshaw (local public transport vehicle for small number of passengers) which resulted in it turning upside down and injuring the women and kids in it while hitting some pedestrians who were later treated in the hospital

As per the relatives of the murder victims and injured:

k) Answering why ONE of the victims had a gun they clarified that it was a properly licensed weapon for personal safety as his Elder brother was murdered due to some rivalries and he was threatened

l) Confirmed that one of the motorcyclist got married 3 months ago and one was to marry within next couple of months

m) Pointed out to police confirmation that NONE has any criminal records before

n) Drew attention to the eyewitness confirmation that there was NO PROVOCATION and they did not aim at or approach the American

o) Referred to the autopsy report confirming that both were SHOT FROM THE BACK, MULTIPLE TIMES (Self defense?)

Public at large:

There is huge public outcry over the unprovoked murders in broad daylight in a busy center of the city by foreign nationals carrying ILLEGAL FIREARMS & BREAKING TRAFFIC LAWS.

The matter is seen as a test case for the hugely unpopular government.

Stance of one of the culprits (referred to as Mr. Raymond Davis):

One of the accomplice of Mr. Davis was reported to have fled in the “Rescue 4×4 Vehicle”, the driver of which is also at large after he KILLED another civilian motorcyclist when it entered a one-way road from the wrong way at high-speed. The culprits are with the American Consulate despite it’s promises to surrender the driver and the 4×4 involved in the traffic violations, injuring and killing of civilians, as confirmed by the Punjab Law Minister Mr. RanaSanaullah .

Since the other 2 accomplices are at large, only Raymond Davis’ stance is known as of yet.

Raymond has claimed that:

* he works as “technical advisor” with the American consulate in Lahore
* that the guys “wanted” to rob him
* previously he claimed that they aimed the weapon at him which was denied by eye witnesses and later retracted by him

* he acted in “self-defense”
* he will apologise to the relatives of the deceased
* (as per police sources) he “suspected” he was about to be kidnapped or attacked

Stance of Pakistan’s Government:

Mr. RanaSanaullah, the provincial law minister is reported to have told that:

* the man’s identity documents including passport names him as “Raymond Davis”
* his address is of USA
* he is with the USA consulate
* he had the firearm ILLEGALLY
* atleast 3 cell phones and illegal firearms were recovered from Raymond Davis
* the murder victims have a clean record with regards to robberies
* one of the murdered civilian’s brother was killed a few days ago and had kept a licensed firearm for self-protection with proper authorisation
* the murders were unprovoked
* USA consulate promised to surrender the 4×4 and the driver who violated traffic laws and killed another civilian
* they will “follow” the law and would “not” surrender to the pressures
* why was Raymond travelling in the center of the city WITHOUT informing any government official?
* why was Raymond carrying ILLEGAL FIREARMS?
* what was Raymond doing in the MOST BUSY area of Lahore city?

In another development, there was protest in the Assembly when a member of the ruling PPP asked the Federal Interior Minister, Mr. Abdul Rehman Malik to apologise for pressuring the Police officer incharge to let Raymond go free.

Mr. Malik denied the accusation.

Independent media reports and police officials confirmed the incident.

USA’s official stance:

After a long silence and careful silence USA has demanded release of Raymond Davis and backtracked on its promise to surrender the Murderer who was driving the 4×4 along with the vehicle.

Washington Post reported “U.S. Embassy demands release of ‘unlawfully detained’ diplomat who shot 2 Pakistanis”

Strange was the behaviour of the American officials who:

* claimed his name taken from his passport was NOT his real name (Fraud?)
* claimed he was a civilian official with the USA Consulate in Lahore
* REFUSED to disclose the position at the Consulate
* REFUSED to disclose the Real Name
* REFUSED to answer what was he doing in the Busy Center of Lahore
* No diplomatic immunity covers murder
* Diplomatic immunity is different for different officials, lesser for consular and even lesser for the consulate employees

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Post time 2011-2-1 11:59:15 |Display all floors
Originally posted by mark069 at 1-2-2011 08:36


Yes and he will be released as he should.  Those two armed men were most likely Al Queda/Taliban affiliated as was the third "innocent" person.  These three would have ended up suicid ...



excuse me - that is supposition on your part.

The "diplomat" should not have been driving alone for a start - should not have had a cannon (although we all know the US word for "diplomacy" is "kill them all and let god sort it out").

The car coming to his "aid" had no right to plow through innocent people going about their daily lives.

How about amerika just get to hell and gone out of other peoples countries and stop creating problems around the world?

It is long past time for other people to stand up to the bully and throw them out on the big nose.
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Post time 2011-2-1 12:00:34 |Display all floors
Originally posted by cossack at 1-2-2011 11:05
US Men killing Civillians with illegal firearms, over-speeding & Traffic Violations – “Diplomats” gone Nuts or Well-trained Spies’ mission gone bad? Part 1 Omer Zaheer Meer's Blog

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Thank you.......
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Post time 2011-2-1 14:46:31 |Display all floors
Originally posted by seneca at 1-2-2011 16:42
So what exactly is this thread about? Is Kong Qui? talking up Pak as the world's next holiday destination?

Will Pak become Asia's next Thailand, Bali or Andaman Islands? Is it hospitable, are it ...



..... poor little snakey ......... can't understand the thread ................ boo hoo hoo.

Yawn.

Man created god before god created man - you couldn't figure that one out either ...........
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Post time 2011-2-1 17:25:38 |Display all floors

You obviously don't understand English!

Originally posted by seneca at 2011-2-1 14:42
So what exactly is this thread about? Is Kong Qui? talking up Pak as the world's next holiday destination?

Will Pak become Asia's next Thailand, Bali or Andaman Islands? Is it hospitable, are it ...


Let me explain it to you, fool!

We are talking about the murder of innocent civilians without remorse by your Anglo subhuman brethren.

Can you understand that freak?

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Post time 2011-2-1 17:35:39 |Display all floors

Pakistan judge bans US Davis handover

Tue Feb 1, 2011

Raymond Davis, a former US government employee in Pakistan, is accused of two counts of murder.

A Pakistani judge has banned any move to hand over to US authorities an American government employee who is under investigation for double murder.


Lahore High Court Chief Justice, Ijaz Ahmed Chaudhry, ordered on Tuesday that Raymond Davis remain in prison until next week while Pakistani police investigate the shooting, a Press TV correspondent reported.

"I am restraining him (from being handed over to US authorities). Whether he has or does not have (diplomatic) immunity will be decided by the court," ruled Chaudhry.

The judge has also ordered to put the US suspect's name on the exit control list.

"An order is issued to put his name on the ECL (exit control list). The case is adjourned for 15 days," Chaudhry added.

Hundreds of Pakistani demonstrators staged protests in the eastern city of Lahore on Monday, demanding the execution of the US consulate official who shot two Pakistani motorcyclists in broad daylight in Lahore on Friday.

A third Pakistani was run over and killed in the incident after being hit by a US consulate vehicle rushing to the scene to the American's aid.

People have threatened to overthrow the government unless it hangs Davis.

Analysts say many questions have remained unanswered, including exactly what the American did at the US Embassy and why he was carrying a gun.

Pakistani media said earlier the US embassy official is an agent for the notorious security firm, Blackwater.

Visiting US Congressmen on Monday asked Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari to free the US suspect.

Pakistan's police said the arrested US official was carrying a Beretta pistol illegally. Davis claims it was an act of self-defense.

The killing comes as anti-American sentiments are running high in the Asian country.

Meanwhile, the report added that Pakistan's top leadership has made it clear that Islamabad is not exerting any pressure to hand over Davis to the US, saying Washington should respect the country's judicial system.

“It is absolutely untrue that Prime Minister Yousaf Reza Gilani has exerted any influence for the release of Raymond Davis,” a government spokesman said in a Monday statement.

Rebuffing US demands to free its consulate employee, Zardari also said that Washington should respect Pakistan's judiciary.
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Post time 2011-2-1 17:41:09 |Display all floors

Some comments;

Voice of Africa:
If the puppet regime of Pakistan hand over this brutal murderer to the US government, it will sign it own end and death warrant, because that will be a vivid proof to the people that they are not serving Pakistan but the USA. It is up to them to decide their own fate, because no tank or nuclear weapons will be able to protect them from the people anger.


Kiwi Voice:
Law of the land must be observed to prevail justice


pro pakistanis:
hang american murderer and abolish capitulation law.


akbar,pakestan:
above his face exactly say that "he is a murderer, blackwater employee, not a diplomat" the question is are diplomats are licensed to kill innocint people. or if there is capitalision emposd in pakestan, then he is free to go back to US


Jesus is Muslim:
Put the murderer on trial, chain him in jail for 86 years, treat him just like what usa has done to poor Pakistani scientist Aafia Siddiqui, who is languishing in solitary confinement in mental institution in usa jail.


America, No more:
America, the World dictator is no more. Please return to the ordinary. "You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time".


Allen:
Long live Iran, Long live Pakistan and resistance, Down with USa,UK, Israel and any regime who support this criminal artificial state. All Islamic nations must unite and put the differences away (that were created by British, USA and Israel) these criminal illuminati Elite families are the enemies of Islam, that is why they create problems and differences among Muslims so they would kill each other. Be cleaver and praise Allah, do not fall for them. Muslim must unite, the day is near.


US embassies & consulates:
US embassies are dens of spies. By placing spies & mercenaries in so-called embassies, USA can claim they are embassy officials & make them immune to laws of country where they conduct criminal activities. Even after murders by Blackwater killers made headlines, Pentagon contracted Blackwater/XE mercenaries & others like them to "protect" CIA & dens of US spies. Blackwater changed its name & has dozens of subsidiaries with various names but still contract to kill, murder-for-hire.


US murderer:
This CIA agent is a CRIMINAL with Pakistani blood on his hands and should be hanged. Pakistani blood should not be that cheap.


We will see:
It will be interesting to see if he has in fact got Diplomatic Immunity , because if he has not , it means the US told a bare faced lie !
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