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Post time 2011-1-6 20:08:52 |Display all floors
Originally posted by sansukong at 2011-1-5 08:57 AM

Are you shifting your goal post again?
Listen to the interview and you be your own judge.

Conversations With History - Kishore Mahbubani

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i got my version from the one lecture he gave to the chinese kids in china about how great were japan's barbarism.

he does not know that most japanese and chinese and asians like our own culture more than the barbarism.  after japan's war with china and then the russians, it tried to revert back to asian from western barbarism.  but america smeared japan so bad that japan never made it til today.

and u shameless yarjians are still trying to pull japan back to its temporary barbarism by actually praising japan's barbarism.

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Post time 2011-1-6 20:09:50 |Display all floors
Originally posted by sansukong at 2011-1-5 09:01 AM

Are you shifting your goal post again?

no, it's because ur brain is retarded.

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Post time 2011-1-6 20:14:37 |Display all floors
Originally posted by seneca at 2011-1-5 07:39 PM
My buddy Mahbubani hasn't even started talking about the Asian Barbarians.

Wait until that book hits the shelves, and you will go apoplectic.

yarjian like him is a dime a dozen.  just go check how singapore fought on the side of the british against asians in wwii.  i do expect the 4 asian snakes has a lot more to say about the merits of their western masters' barbarism.

sens, did u finally read ku homing.  he had all u barbarians and wannabes all predicted out a century ago:

ht tp:/ /ww w.archive.o rg/stream/spiritofchinesep00kuhuuoft/spiritofchinesep00kuhuuoft_djvu.txt

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Post time 2011-1-6 20:16:57 |Display all floors
Originally posted by exportedkiwi at 2011-1-5 10:02 PM

Oh no no no my friend, there were never, and aren't ever going to be, any Asian barbarians! Yeah, right! the mind boggles at the mentality of some here, truly, it does. If you can't acknowledge ...

here is the first part of china's history:


Three dynamics that characterize the Chinese civilization are:

1. Dynasty of peace, harmony and benevolence
2. Peasant Revolution in time of crisis
3. Culture Unification

Once all three of these dynamics are terminated, China will be exterminated.  This almost came about in last century – and the threat is ever present today.

A century ago in 1911, overwhelmingly powerful forces, of both foreign and domestic origins, tried to exterminate China by destroying her dynamics of Dynasty, Peasant Revolution and Culture Unification.

First, an Chinese Christian American, named Sun Yat-sen, horse-traded away the Qing Dynasty and sold out China to Western-style mob rule based on militarism, Christianity and democracy.  Sun cut up China into separate pieces overnight, the same thing that foreign powers and domestic Christian groups had unsuccessfully tried to do for 60 years.  And then, in a utter shameless fashion typical of Christians, Sun actually blamed it all on China's own "backwardness".

Did he know that China was, in truth, the longest and most splendid civilization on Earth?  China has been on a path of Culture Unification and expansion for 5000 years!

Second, Sun's successor, Chiang Kai-shek, also a Christian, and a Japanese soldier as well, launched an extermination campaign on the Peasant Revolution Army under a bona-fide all-Chinese leader Mao Ze-dong.

Lastly, this Pro-America, Christian force under Chiang Kai-shek was orchestrated by America with lies and bribery – and some murderous treacheries of Chiang's own devices -- to hammer a wedge between Asian nations, mostly targeting Japan.  The resulting schism of antagonism was so deeply that all potential for future Cultural Unification vanished.

This divide-and-conquer tactic to impede Asia Culture Unification had gone into its full swing, ironically, in a mutiny against Chiang Kai-shek.  The mutiny was billed as a call to stop Chinese killing Chinese, namely Chiang's modern army exterminating Mao's Revolutionary Peasants.  The mutineers also insisted that Chinese should form a united front against foreign aggressors.  But the Christian constituency involved in the settlement of the mutiny managed to turn China into a puppet of America, dedicated to fighting along side America in its war against Japan and Asia.

Thus China actually partnered with Asia's enemy America in WW II to achieve America's scheme of maintaining military dominance over Asia during and after the war!

What made this incredible scheme work was a forgery called the "Tanaka Memorial".  This forgery, also known as the "Tanaka Plan", described the Japanese presence in Manchuria as a well-planned invasion of China.  Then it went on to  twist Japan's rallying call of "Asia for Asians", into a conquest of Asia by Japan, instead.  Unbelievable, but convincing, it painted a picture of Japan's using Asia as a launching pad for conquest of America and the world.  A full Hollywood-style production of "Why we fought?  The Battle of China" made this "dirtiest trick" so believable that it almost became self fullfilling.

Japan must be still grumbling about this today.

Well, that was the plan of America and its Asian puppets.  But somehow, China and Asia had their own plans, too.

In one Asian plan, Japan first salvaged the Last Emperor of the Qing Dynasty in Manchuria and then drove most Western colonists out of China by setting up a puppet government under Wang Jing-wei.  But with its reputation ruined by the forged Tanaka Memorial and the lack of cooperation from the Chinese and other Asian people, Japan was fighting with their hands tied behind its back against the overwhelmingly more powerful America.

And concurrent, but somewhat opposing, to the Asian plan of Japan, there was Mao's hit-and-run army of Peasant Revolution, which spent most of the time hiding from Chiang's America-supported troops, while avoiding frontal confrontation against the Japanese troops.  As typically with all previous Chinese Revolutionary Peasant Armies, it lacked the ammunition to fight, but not the will to win.

In the end, when Japan was finished off by two American atomic bombs, these two Asian forces briefly crossed their paths.  Japan managed to sneak enough weapons to Mao's peasant army to drive Chiang Kai-shek out of China.  Although Mao finally subdued America's unrelenting harassment of Asia, first in Korea, then across the Taiwan Strait and finally in Vietnam, he died before he could help Japan to get out of the clutch of America's military occupation.

Now, how shall China proceed from this point onward requires that we revise and see our own history from our own point of view.  That will be the task of the next article -- China's Chinese History.

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Post time 2011-1-6 20:17:53 |Display all floors



China did get the opportunity to write her own history before she was terminated in 1911.  And after 1911, America took over the task of writing China's history simply because it won the war.

Now China is coming back and rising.  We need to rewrite our own China's Chinese history.

In 1911 by way of some private horse-trading between China's self-proclaimed new Christian American President, Sun Yat-sen, and the all-controlling Qing General, Yuan Shik-kai, China's Qing Dynasty was bought out only to be replaced by warlords, foreign occupations, and minority-ethnic independent states.  Minor among the warlords was the pair of Sun Yat-sen and Chiang Kai-shek, who grew influential by riding on the back of America's powerful military might.  They considered themselves to be the Christian Liberators of China, doing a self-serving Christian Crusade in China.

However, there was still some remnant of China in the form of the Last Emperor of the Qing Dynasty, which went under the protection of Japan.  This shadowy presence of the great Qing Empire was soon joined by a Japanese puppet government of Wang Jing-wei.  Together, nevertheless, they still made up the most dominant part of China.

This "temporary" China found its legitimacy in being the only hope for China by participating in Japan's call for "Asia for Asians".   But its path run smack against the Western imperialists' design for Asia as a permanent colony.  So, the West would simply not allow that, especially as far as America and its Chinese puppet government of Chiang Kai-shek were concerned.

As usual, America again played a dirty trick, which it normally referred to as a long-term strategical planning, using its Hollywood propaganda machine to supply the required justification.  America made a full production out of the forgery called the Tanaka Memorial, which was concocted by America as an ambitious plan by Japan for world conquest.  This successful demonization campaign distorted and overwhelmed Japan's effort to rally Asian nations in its call of "Asia for Asians"

Obviously, Japan was thinking to seize this opportunity of WWII to expel the Western colonists from Asia, as these colonists, at the time, were weak and vulnerable due to their own wars in Europe.

But instead, all Chinese, including the Qing Dynasty and Wang Jing-wei government, and almost all other Asian countries swallowed this made-in-America lie.  So, Japan's genuine effort to form a united front among Asian nations against their Western colonial masters backfired and even turned suicidal for Japan.  So Japan itself, at the end, was destroyed as a sovereign nation, and America's military post-war occupation of Japan lasted until this day.

While all these conventional hullabaloos were occupying the center stage, there was an undercurrent movement that was very Chinese in characteristic.  That was the peasant army of Mao Ze-Dong.  Actually they were the successor to the Zeng Guofan's regional army that put down the bloody Christian Taipin Rebellion, and to the Boxer Uprising that defended against the Christian-instigated, genocidal Eight-Nation Coalition invasion of China during the Qing Dynasty.  

In fact, the Boxers, Zeng and Mao all have saved China from extermination.  And the perpetrating exterminators were, respectively, the three Christian Crusades of Taipin Rebellion, Eight-Nation Coalition, and the Sun-Chiang Christian Liberation.

However, at the end of the war, things were not looking good for Mao.  America was riding high with unstoppable momentum, Japan surrendered to America and Chiang after being completely demolished, and Russia was looting China along side the American puppet government of Chiang.  It sure seemed that the the final mopping up of the Mao's peasant army was practically a done deal.  Well, not quite!

Rather, it turned out to be Japan's moment of self-vindication.  Japan, instead of obeying Chiang's order to fight Mao, sneaked enough ammunition to Mao for arming 700,000 soldiers, which, combined with the "will power" of Mao's Peasant Revolution Army, was able to chase Chiang Kai-shek and America out of China's Mainland.

Japan proved itself faithful to its call for "Asia for Asians" til the bitter end!

The Chinese peasant army took the baton from Japan and finished the task that Japan started -- to cleanse out Western elements from Asia.

A small piece of Chinese history, as unimportant as it might seem, must be mentioned here.  This was that the new China under Mao also took, under her caring wings, the Last Emperor of Qing and gave a fitting and honorable final curtain call to the once magnificent Qing Dynasty.

In the ensuing years since the refounding of China in 1949, China had to repel America aggressions in Korea, across the Taiwan Strait and in Vietnam.  China paid a heavy price for these exhaustively taxing defenses in the terms of the devastations that anti-China Western pundits often referred to as the "disastrous" Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution.

In 1971, on the initiative of the world ping-pong champion, Zhuang Ze-dong, with personal blessing from Mao, yet against the wills of all the Chinese people, a small white ping-pong ball penetrated America's nuclear fence and established normal relationship with America.  And starting in the late 70's, under Deng Shiao Ping's "Reform and Open" policy, with some timely distractions from China's Muslim friends, China was able to put America's aggression in Asia on hold.  This allowed 30 years of peace for China to partially recover the economic prosperity of the Qing Dynasty and possibly also get back some of the Qing's off-shore islands in the near future.

Today, China's major threat remains to be America.  China is still responsible for Korea.  And China has yet to rescue Japan.  The new rising China Dynasty must pick up where the Qing Dynasty left off a century ago -- on a path of cultural unification toward "Asia for Asians".

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Post time 2011-1-6 20:22:34 |Display all floors
Originally posted by thepeop at 2011-1-6 12:01 AM
"If you can't acknowledge your own history and learn from it, you're going to repeat it."

Why does everyone here write as if Joe had any significance?  He's not going to repeat history ...

even Mahbubani is not given much hope to the future of the west.

lying and distorting ur west's own history is a curse on all ur future generations.

4700 years of history will not let china be negatively impacted by western barbarism.

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Post time 2011-1-6 20:23:33 |Display all floors
Originally posted by thepeop at 2011-1-6 12:01 AM
I don't see him invading Manchuria anytime soon...

no, it's north korea that u r thinking about invading.

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