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Post time 2010-7-20 13:02:52 |Display all floors
China is talking to Congo, Lybia, Philippines, Sri-Lanka, Sudan, Venezula, as well as Eygpt and Turkish about exporting the FC-1 fighter jet.

But China Forgetting Russia will not supplying the RD-93 engines any more for the FC-1 and its WS-13 is nowhere near being ready..

I guess, China is always think ahead in terms of making money but it forgot it doesn't have all the necessary parts to go with it. therefore, jumping the gun and putting the cart before the horse.

way too anxious about making money...   this is not cool at all!

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Post time 2010-7-20 13:36:47 |Display all floors
But Russia will supply the engines.

Anyway, who wants to buy your crappy F35s, other than Canada, Australia and Israel?

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Post time 2010-7-20 14:04:22 |Display all floors
Originally posted by baofeng at 2010-7-20 13:36
But Russia will supply the engines.



not anymore,
Russia cancelled it already.

read my previous thread.

ht-tp://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/viewthread.php?gid=2&tid=672632&extra=page%3D1

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Post time 2010-7-20 14:16:48 |Display all floors

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May 16, 2010: Satellite photos recently revealed that the Chinese Navy has received J-11 jet fighters. These are illegal Chinese copies of the Russian Su-27. This plagiarism has been a source of friction between Russia and China  for over five years. It all began, legally, in 1995, when China paid $2.5 billion for the right to build 200 Su-27s. Russia would supply engines and electronics, with China building the other components according to Russian plans and specifications. But after 95 of the Chinese built aircraft were built, Russia cancelled the agreement. They claimed that China was using the knowledge acquired with this Su-27 program, to build their own copy of the Su-27, the J-11. Russia kept the piracy issue quiet, and warned the Chinese that simply copying Russian technology would produce an inferior aircraft. Apparently the Chinese did not agree, and are continuing their work on the J-11, using only, what they claim is, Chinese technology.

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The J-11 is believed to now include better electronics and some other Chinese design modifications. China can manufacture most of the components of the J-11, the one major element it must import are the engines. China believes it will be free from dependence on Russia for military jet engines within the next 5-10 years. Currently, China imports two Russian engines, the $3.5 million AL-31 (for the Su-27/30, J-11, J-10) and the $2.5 million RD-93 (a version of the MiG-29s RD-33) for the JF-17 (a F-16 type aircraft developed in cooperation with Pakistan.)

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Post time 2010-7-20 14:18:31 |Display all floors
Meanwhile, Chinese engineers have managed to master most of the manufacturing techniques needed to make a Chinese copy of the Russian AL31F engine. This Chinese copy, the WS10A, was part of a program that has also developed the WS-13, to replace the RD-93. China has long copied foreign technology, not always successfully. But in the last decade, China has poured much money into developing a jet engine manufacturing capability. The Chinese encountered many of the same problems as the Russians did when developing their own engine design and construction skills. But China has several advantages. First, they know of the mistakes the Russians had made, and so were able to avoid many of them. Then there was the fact that China had better access to Western manufacturing technology (both legally and illegally). Finally, China was, unlike the Soviets, able to develop their engine manufacturing capabilities in a market economy. This was much more efficient than the command economy that the Soviets were saddled with for seven decades.

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Post time 2010-7-20 14:19:06 |Display all floors
The navy already has a regiment of 24 Su-30s (an advanced version of the Su-27), so they have experience with this type . The J-11s will apparently join the Su-30s in defending Chinese naval bases. Some Chinese designed J-10s have also been spotted in navy colors. The navy's offensive airpower comes in the form of J-8s (a two engine version of the MiG-21, which is no good as a fighter, but proved adequate as a bomber) and even older copies of Russian bombers. The J-11 can also be equipped with anti-ship missiles, and may eventually replace the J-8 and other missile carrying naval aircraft.

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