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Post time 2010-7-15 17:59:50 |Display all floors
If the Camps could be shifted in the purpose from street vendors or petitioners towards actual criminals who deserve it,
I'd say go for it and keep 'em.

But clearly not for maintance of their current use.
If that's the only option that the party offers,
I'm indeed for closing them down.
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Post time 2010-7-15 19:03:58 |Display all floors
Originally posted by exportedkiwi at 2010-7-15 13:26
Maybe these "camps" can be used to punish corrupt officialdom. That'd be a lesson they'd hardly forget.


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Post time 2010-7-16 00:44:29 |Display all floors
not interested into the outsourcing idea cestmoi?

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Post time 2010-7-16 02:13:59 |Display all floors

A bridge too far

Originally posted by LCSULLA at 2010-7-16 00:44
not interested into the outsourcing idea cestmoi?

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Outsourcing might remove some of the stigma associated with these camps and retain the infrastructure for isolating and penalising hardened criminals such as corrupt party members and civil servants, drug smugglers etc., but the idea of outsourcing might be a bridge too far for this generation. Beijing adapt slowly and move even more so.

On second thought, abolish them.

Incidentally, if THE Iulius Kaiser did not live to spread the Mediterranean culture to the Gauls, Belgaes, Teutons, Celts and other barbarian tribes, there would be no Hadrian Wall nor a settlement in Bath (where the Romans introduced hot water and soap to the natives who had no use for it), what would have happened? Consider this, the moribund Senate, such as it was, readily abdicated its responsibilities to a dictator when the going got tough. The Republic knew that it couldn't handle crisis. Sulla's saving grace was that he abdicated as dictator, Iulius Kaiser did not.

And why not extend 2nd class Roman Citizenship to Italians?

By way of comparison, China is a Republic, but China never had a dictator since we got rid of the Qing Dynasty and the ueber-corrupt KMT.

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Post time 2010-7-16 10:53:44 |Display all floors
Originally posted by cestmoi at 2010-7-16 02:13



Outsourcing might remove some of the stigma associated with these camps and retain the infrastructure for isolating and penalising hardened criminals such as corrupt party members and civil servants, drug smugglers etc., but the idea of outsourcing might be a bridge too far for this generation. Beijing adapt slowly and move even more so.

On second thought, abolish them.

Incidentally, if THE Iulius Kaiser did not live to spread the Mediterranean culture to the Gauls, Belgaes, Teutons, Celts and other barbarian tribes, there would be no Hadrian Wall nor a settlement in Bath (where the Romans introduced hot water and soap to the natives who had no use for it), what would have happened? Consider this, the moribund Senate, such as it was, readily abdicated its responsibilities to a dictator when the going got tough. The Republic knew that it couldn't handle crisis. Sulla's saving grace ...
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Guess you have another aproach to the idea of outsourcing.
My Idea is to offer places to other Nations.
This, besides the potentially hugely decreased death penalty toll,
could well ease and improve the whole HR and rule of law issue,
I'm death serious about it, but actually talking about the countries
that will send prisoners.
The thing that I'm actually talking about is, not outsourcing
of already huge punitive systems in the first place,
but rather those countries sending yet convicts there.

You see, in some very small countries e.g. some pacific countries,
the rent for a cell in australia or the us, forces the sentence finding,
or even the investigation in the first place, to keep in mind the burden,
and potential ruin of the country, by restoring justice.

Now that's not a very nice situation right now either, is it?

On the thought that the only option to maintain them is as they are,
I concur with you, abolish them.
In case of them as places for real criminals,
I agree in the long run, do it,
but maybe in a further stage of development and progress.

I prefer to think right now about thinks that still be influencened now.
That's not the case with your arguments over Rome.

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