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Post time 2010-7-15 14:53:06 |Display all floors
Originally posted by nebula1 at 2010-7-15 13:29
I am against modern-day Crusaders trampling all over the Middle East.

But I am also against this crazy obsession to hide women just so that we men don't fall into lust. Maybe it'll be easier jus ...



Yes, seems to be more the problem of the men who can`t withhold their lust......blindfold them and lets see how they'd like it^^
Patria est ubicunque bene/Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit

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Post time 2010-7-16 20:03:16 |Display all floors
Originally posted by seneca at 2010-7-16 10:15


Perhaps your ideal of women an learn from men to cultivate qualities other than that which only meets the eye of those that are not blind?

Really, if women have only beauty to offer they sh ...


You don't understand - somethings / behaviors are innate due to evolution.  In bird species, it's the male that is colorful to attract a mate, in our species, it's the female.
It's just how we are made.  Women like to be colorful and men are very visual.  This is the natural order of things.  I think instead of fighting the natural behavior, we should just embrace it.   I don't know why we go to such extremes as to try to remove ourselves from our own inherent nature.  But I do believe there are psychological risks involved in doing so.   We have to have balance.  If you want good mental health, you have to first accept who you are and come to terms with that.

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Post time 2010-7-16 20:12:22 |Display all floors
Originally posted by seneca at 2010-7-16 10:11
Take that into account when lecturing Muslim immigrants! In Islamic countries they have an obsession with decency - but lack of it in the West is just as shameful as moral extremism is. We need to get our houses in order - sexual misconduct, drugs abuse, boozeing, juvenile delinquency. These Muslims only ask to continue a strict moral conduct; we shouldn't pontificate to them that 'everyone is their own emperor making their own rules'...


It's all in how you view it now isn't it?  Scientist do not believe that we were made to pair for life.  Certainly that is not in our early development.  Biologically speaking, there are still mechanisms in place which work on the unconscious level.  It's not about morality, but rather species survival.  It's more natural for both sexes to seek out genetic diversity in mating for example.  We don't think this consciously of course.  But it does exist below the surface.  We would be fools to deny this.

What did master po say?

Where is the evil?
In the rat that steals the grain or the cat that eats the rat?

The answer of course is neither - both are doing what is in their nature to do.

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Post time 2010-7-17 18:23:59 |Display all floors
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Post time 2010-7-17 23:04:50 |Display all floors
Originally posted by seneca at 2010-7-17 21:21
So you are irremediably retro in your bio-centred outlook on human behaviour, JFenix! If we all just obey 'innate' forces, why set up states, develop cultures, dress like human beings, eat cooked f ...


My point is you have to have balance for a healthy psyche.  There have been numerous studies done on sexuality and the conclusion is the more you supress it and/or make it shameful, the more likely that person is to develop a psychosis.  We live in societies so we must have rules on our behavior, I get that.   But sometimes you can do more harm than good with such strict moral codes on sexuality.  Believe me, fundamental christians have screwed up quite a few people here.  Think Stephen King's Carrie....lol

On the other hand, not viewing sexuality as shameful leads to a healthier attitude towards people in general.  And why would I condemn me for looking at women as sexual?  We are!  It's our power.  You can either embrace it or let it rule you.

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Post time 2010-7-17 23:13:06 |Display all floors
America......a country where an accidental appearence of a nipple in a live show leads to a scandal....but where most porn movies are produced. The land of the.......prude?.......hypocrites?........
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Post time 2010-7-17 23:33:58 |Display all floors
Originally posted by Alex2010 at 2010-7-17 23:13
America......a country where an accidental appearence of a nipple in a live show leads to a scandal....but where most porn movies are produced. The land of the.......prude?.......hypocrites?........


You're right about that.  I really think my experience in germany really helped me in that department.  I was only 17 when I went there with my husband.  It opened my eyes.  I found  germans had pretty healthy attitudes when it came to nudity and sexuality.  It really made me see just how backwards we can be in that department.  That and my experience with native american culture.   It's really given me a whole new outlook on how things should be.

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