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....but we need to be informed very well

i took this article i found very interesting

Chinese netizens' open letter to the Chinese Government and Google

Draft for discussion

Version: 0.99

March 2010



To the relevant Chinese government ministries and Google Inc.,



Since the Jan.12, 2010 announcement of Google, the Chinese government and Google have got into a dispute over the latter’s operation in China. So far there is no clear statement to the incident.


Given that the Chinese government and Google are involved, neither has ever touched the influence of this incident on the Chinese Internet users.
Given that it has a wide effect, the public, especially the Chinese Internet users, are hopelessly inadequate for information to get the whole story and to make a fair judgment.
Given that whatever ending it leads to, the lives which will be finally changed are those of the Chinese digerati, enterprises, education-related staff, students, media-related employees, briefly, the Chinese netizens.
Given that we, part of the Chinese netizens, have our own views and doubts about it, we expect the government and Google can give us a reply.



Herein as ONE of the Chinese netizens (87.53% of the population), I am writing the open letter to make clear my stand on the incident.



The concern of Google’s operation in China can be tracked back to the first block of Google search engine by the Chinese government in Sept. 2002. Later it was satisfactorily settled in face of the netizens’ protests from the Chinese science & technology industry, as at that time the government got to realize the importance of the advanced search engines to the development of its science and technology. After that, Chinese bloggers’ open letter to the founders of Google in February 2007 caught our attention. Now we are again concerning about Google as its consideration to pull out of China due to the China-sourced hacker attacks and Google’s will not to do the filtered search engines obliged by the government.



Since 2005 Google Inc. has had its R&D center and then its branch in China with Google. cn being set up to provide a small proportion of functions of the various global Internet services. Since then Google has always kept self-censoring, aside from the frequent concealment of the issues on the public interests, such as Yilishen (the financial breakup of a pharmaceutical company with the involvement of over 10,000 people), the shutdown of Gongmeng (a legal aid agency), poisonous milk powder, the results of many historical events have also been included. Even a host of Chinese leaders’ name or their relatives’ names are filtered, which sounds irritating and unreasonable. The block of “Xu Zhiyong (the protagonist of the shutdown incident mentioned above)” might well violate the American law. A net pal has particularly taken the notarization of the name block and filed a suit in the USA. It is a pity that so far Google has neither stated which law articles it is in accordance with for the self-censorship nor clarified whether it derives from any official provisions. Google has refused to communicate with the public by transparently telling us its censorship rules and approaches, which actually has violated the Chinese laws while its equivocal and arrogant attitudes make us, the users mostly relying on the Internet to be engaged in the R&D, commercial activities and international exchanges, very disappointed so that we turn to Google.com as Google.cn has become unworthy of its credit for many of its Chinese users. Although a large number of Chinese science and technology companies still use Google search for the consultancy and global achievements in technology, there is no good reason for Google.cn, such a suicidal company, being there any more.



From the negotiation initiated by the Google headquarters with the Chinese government about Google.cn, till now (March 20), both sides have been holding the black-box talks excluding 300 million Chinese netizens, simply treating them as the so-called “----izens (a newly coined word from the Internet, blending two words ----+(cit)izens, referring to the citizens without the proper rights)”. As a multinational US-based company, Google is justified to pull out any market and make a decision within the commercial regulations to show its responsibility to its shareholders, yet what we want to emphasize is that the massive Internet users are Google’s customers, who not only enjoy the convenience brought by Google’s free services, but we also reward Google by bringing the advertising income, hence our needs inspire Google’s innovation. In short, we are never not important! So we expect Google to give us a clear answer. As for the Chinese government, the public service body responsible for the Chinese people, should bear the liability to make the negotiation known to the public, to consult the netizens, instead of leaving them in the dark.



Thus, we are appealing more users to see the long-term influence on the domestic Internet development, claim our viewpoints, win over the cooperation and eventually help the Chinese government and Google jointly solve the problem. The questions below are expected to be answered:


1.- Did Google meet the requirements of Chinese law in censoring materials related to porn, violence, and gambling?
2.- How were the Chinese government's censorship demands communicated to Google? From which ministry? In accordance with what legal processes? Were there any mechanisms for correcting mistakes or channels to redress?
3.- What content did the Chinese government require Google to self-censor? Aside from sex, violence and gambling, what else was included? How was the censorship decided for topics such as mining disasters, the brick kiln slave children, Yilishen, violent evictions, Sanlu milk powder, Deng Yujiao, the governor's confiscation of a journalist's recorder, the Shanxi vaccine scandal, and other incidents? We cannot accept violation of the public's right to access such public interest information.
4.- When it comes to activities by government leaders and ministries that violate the constitution and the laws beneath it, is it necessary to carry out unconstitutional censorship?
5.- Why can't the Internet industry, including Google, Baidu, and ICT companies accept public supervision and resolve the content regulation problem in an open manner?  Including but not limited to cooperation with an independent third-party citizens' body?
6.- What is the status of talks between Google and the Chinese government? What problems have been discussed? Cannot the irreconcilable positions of each side be clearly revealed to the public?
7.- If Google.cn were to no longer exist, or if China were to further block other Google services, has the Chinese government considered how their blocking of foreign websites and censorship of domestic websites violates Chinese citizens' right to scientific, educational, environmental, clean energy and other information? How will this loss be lessened or compensated for?
8.- And more netizens’ real thoughts



We support necessary censorship of Internet content and communications, whether it is on Google or any other foreign or domestic company. But we hope that such censorship should be conducted as follows:


It should be based on clear laws, the related regulations and censorship procedures should not violate China's constitution and laws. Vague censorship standards result in over-censorship or make it impossible to self-censor.
Pre-censorship should not be carried out, as the right to free speech as guaranteed by the Chinese constitution and laws must not be violated.
The procedures must be transparent, with clear and distinct censorship processes and steps. The censorship must be carried out by a clearly specified government department. It shouldn't be so vague that it is carried out by "relevant departments" which the public cannot locate.
There should be a channel for appeals by netizens and by companies so that anybody who objects to a particular act of censorship can obtain reconsideration or file suit. Chinese legal bodies should clearly designated a channel for redress.
Chinese people's attention to and discourse about matters of public concern must not be obstructed. The public's right to study, scientific inquiry, communication, and commercial activity must not be inhibited.



Obviously, Chinese netizens are increasing not only in number, but progressively in their wits as well. We are clearly conscious of our rights and desire for the global information and human knowledge equally accessed by the netizens from any region in the world. We don’t want to see Google clinch any deal with our government secretly while our rights to know the truth and create the future hand in hand are violated. We believe, with the joint efforts of the government, Google and the massive netizens, Google crisis will be solved elegantly with the win-win-win situation for the three parties.




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Google - so Porny & Horny

Originally posted by flowermoon at 2010-3-25 14:12
....but we need to be informed very well

i took this article i found very interesting

Chinese netizens' open letter to the Chinese Government and Google

Draft for discussion

Version: 0. ...


1.- Did Google meet the requirements of Chinese law in censoring materials related to porn, violence, and gambling?

Google - so Porny & Horny that is like sex sells

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Wow, supposed Chinese letter ALL IN ENGLISH! Shame to Whitesupremacy.

Why Google offends Chinese people

It is because the demands of Google can be achieved effectively if Google is willing to learn how Chinese business and culture work.
In China, the central control is very different from the West. The Chinese central control is not as powerful as the US federal domination over the states. At the grass-root level, in China, you can literally do anything, show any websites, as long as you know how to create a good relationship with the important people locally. It is the Chinese way of culture and life called “guanxi”.

Google refuses to do business Chinese way in China. Google picks a fight. To the Chinese people, it means only that Google wants to fight; there is no second explanation. Google thinks Western way is the only way right. Google looks down on how Chinese people do things. Therefore, Google come to China without the basic respect of local way, and picks a fight and shows its total, spoiled child like, Caucasian arrogance and white-supremacy.

I am sure no one in Google dares to challenge their CEO is wrong because he/she will be fired immediately. The West does not consider this a direct restriction of speech freedom. What information freedom is total nonsense. Google and Westerners feel strongly about these meaningless words because they are brainwashed with cold-war propagandas. The West is arrogant, irrational, religious bigots and makes no-sense.

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Charta 08 was in English, too

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