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Originally posted by sono_hito at 2010-1-26 03:35
want government to take on a more parental role? Dont want to put words in your mouth but you arent offering up anything....
Oh god no. Thanks for not putting words in my mouth, especially those ones.
You have framed the question as, something like "Mods or radicals", which is the flavor you advocate?
or Big govt or small? Dem or Rep? Etc
For me, these types of questions are not in my mind at all. I believe that this way of framing the big question is misleading. You and all who agree with you, and all who are in the directly opposing camp give your position a lot of emotional care and intellectual energy, I think that's wasted and meaningless. But why? It seems very worthy of care and energy. I think it's wasted because it's not really real, the system I mean. Your care and energy is very real. it's so real, it's dangerous. Not to you or me, but to our leaders.
Care and energy is what ended the Vietnam war right? That didn't make some people happy. Many of our leaders have said outloud many times that we will not let that happen again. These days we keep total control of the story, the news is framed in serveral differnet ways, but always keeps us lined up behind the government. They frame the issues for us, the determine the two sides that there are to stand on, we take up our positions according to our choice and together we all march WHAT? in the same direction? How does that happen?
The basic frame is: are you dem or rep?
We've lost sight of how off-base that is. The real questions should be more like, are you for continuing this war or not? But we spend all our energies on party lines which somehow don't change the direction our leaders have chosen.
You cite such things as the tea-party marchers. You say you can defeat national health care. Yeah, and if you do it will seem like a great victory of democracy right? But in fact, no matter how many millions march, the leaders decide to do whatever they want anyway. If the system works exactly as you think it does, then worst thing that could happen to some rich old congressman is that he goes to play golf instead of getting reelected some years later. That's the worst that can happen IF it works like you think it does, and that is hardly a guarentee of democratic rule which is suposed to mean rule by the people. And if the newly elected guy doesn't do as he said he would, what's the worst that can happen to the new rich old guy that replaced the old rich old guy? Well, he joins the first one on the golf course. Hmm..
That seems pretty weak. But I don't think the concept of U.S. Democracy is even that strong. I think there are only two things at the root of power in our government. Money and fraternity. There are lots of ways to characterize it, lots of angles to view it, but it boils down simply to money and fraternity. If you are an insider in Washington, it doesn't matter who wins elections, the rulers keep ruling.
The lively contest you have during elections and tea parties keeps people with your kind of care and energy feeling deeply involved and all of that energy is spent in a contest against another group that in many ways is just like you, but who lives in the other camp. This system works beautifully, you expend all your energies against each other. And if you didn't, you'd be questioning the governement directly. Together you'd be quite a challenge and your power would be significant, but you are split and magically right down the middle 50/50 and your energies cancel each other out.
Our leaders will continue to do whatever they want.
If national health care passes, it's because it will bring power and wealth to the powerful and the weathy.
If national health care fails to pass or is reversed, it's because that will bring power and wealth to the powerful and wealthy.
Not because of a tea party.