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Post time 2010-1-16 01:52:18 |Display all floors
Originally posted by antimatter at 2010-1-16 01:41
^tanks are useless in the mountainous area such as kashmere and aruncha pradash.




Exactly, we are talking of the border with India and Pakistan. If you don't know there are two critical provinces which border India, Pakistan Punjab and Sindh, both this regions are fertile plains great for Maneuver and Blitzkrieg warfare. At the same time attacking India from mountain regions is impossible as India can call up 100 division reserves from the South and can mobilize 40 divisions in 6 hours. China could only supply no more than 4 divisions across the Himalayas
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Originally posted by antimatter at 2010-1-16 01:41
Pak getting the HQ-9 , those can shoot down the SU30MKI.  take away India air superiority, ground forces forces will show down to be a snail.



If you don't know, there is no need to use SU MKI's as Pakistan airforce is no match to India's Tunguska anti aircraft defence. There is no match for Tunguska in Asia and having AWACS means its an one sided war

Originally posted by antimatter at 2010-1-16 01:41
Pak's coast line is too wide.  stretching what?  500 to 600 miles.  It can shoot those ASMs all day long at the carrier group.



Exactly, but the most widest coastline in Pakistan is the semi arid region of Baluchistan and Pakistan's naval installations are concentrated with in a range of Karachi ports and Gwadar harbor. Precise locations for non stopping naval artillery barrage

Originally posted by antimatter at 2010-1-16 01:41
Besides Pak is connected thorugh land to Iran and CHina,  It still can move its stuffs, bypassing India's bloackade.  


You make mistake here. India and Iran are allies they have mutual defence pact. In case of war Indian planes and ships can land and fight from Iran. The connection with China is in the narrow range called Karakoram too easy to start artillery bombardment targeting Pakistan logistics.

Originally posted by antimatter at 2010-1-16 01:41
CHina soon will have the ASBM, if pak got those,  threat to carrier group will be much higher.


China won't. China will be neutral. Further you can't target a carrier group on a sea range of 1000 nautical miles with missiles which needs a 1 cm precision radius :lol

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Post time 2010-1-16 02:08:21 |Display all floors
Originally posted by saj2go at 2010-1-15 20:59
India which has openly signed a number of mutual agreements with China, calling the latter a strategic partner, has been playing a double game with Beijing by acting upon a secret strategy.

Alth ...




BTW, Saj2go Pakistan isn't too great and China won't listen to you either especially warring with India. China and India now know how to live in peace and prosper together

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Post time 2010-1-16 03:18:08 |Display all floors
Because Pak is nuke armed state, all out invasion by India to attack  on Pak cities and capital would trigger nuke response.  So, it's very very unlikely for india to do an allout invasion.

If there's any battles, it would in Kashmere and kashmere Only.

Naval battle is another possiblity.   But Pak has alot of missiles.


Right now pak is learning to build the FC-1,   I think in next 5 yrs, China should master the huge production of 3 generation fighter engine, by that time, Pak can field hundreds of FC-1,

I think China trasnfered alot of production technology to Pak.  as time goes by, Pak will be very self sufficient in producing the weapons it need.

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Post time 2010-1-16 03:33:42 |Display all floors
Originally posted by antimatter at 2010-1-16 03:18
Because Pak is nuke armed state, all out invasion by India to attack  on Pak cities and capital would trigger nuke response.  So, it's very very unlikely for india to do an allout invasion.



Yes, right. But it is also true that India is never gonna decalre war against Pakistan. My scenario is the one when Pakistan choose to attack India first, it would be annihilation for them.

Originally posted by antimatter at 2010-1-16 03:18
If there's any battles, it would in Kashmere and kashmere Only.


It is highly unlikely even when it is Kashmir alone India would win the war hands down

Originally posted by antimatter at 2010-1-16 03:18
Naval battle is another possiblity.   But Pak has alot of missiles.


Naval battle is not a possibility because Pakistan navy fleet is no match for Indian combined fleet. Also antimatter one thing you need to learn is that the ships won't come to the harbor to blockade the country. Pakistan can be effectively blockaded from the Persian gulf routes and right upto the Mumbai coast some 1000 nautical miles. And what is the range of a missile 50km ? 100 km ?.....precision level ...??.

Originally posted by antimatter at 2010-1-16 03:18
Right now pak is learning to build the FC-1,   I think in next 5 yrs, China should master the huge production of 3 generation fighter engine, by that time, Pak can field hundreds of FC-1


Yes, good. But it doesn't change anything. Indians aren't dumb people they have superior technology. And India had already mastered the production of 4.5 generation aircraft fighters. India and Russia are building the fifth generation fighter plane Sukhoi PAK and US wants us to buy their advanced F-17's. Pakistan's hundreds of FC-1 would be no match to 4000 (4th, 4.5th and 5th generation) Indian fighters


Originally posted by antimatter at 2010-1-16 03:18
I think China trasnfered alot of production technology to Pak.


Yes, we know that.


Originally posted by antimatter at 2010-1-16 03:18
as time goes by, Pak will be very self sufficient in producing the weapons it need.


Cool, still India will be an unmatched power in South Asia

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Post time 2010-1-16 03:40:25 |Display all floors
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Post time 2010-1-16 04:29:17 |Display all floors
manoj10's large rebuttle towards antimatter

Mano,

China, India, Pakistan, were all exploitations of Anglo colonialism and now -- American political and military exploitation and scrutinization. That is a fact.

All three people's (or two as Pakistan and India was divided by the Anglos in colonial days) should remember this shameful period of Indian, Chinese, and Pakistani history, band together as the victims we are, come to terms with one another and work together to ensure it that such atrocities does not happen to us again -- ever.

I'm sure China have no problems in that respect, because, as indicated by Asia's long history, the Himalayas was anything but a war zone or something to feud over. In fact, the Himalayas served as none other but that of the Oregon trail of trade and cultural exchange of kind between the two civilization as historical accounts of "China's Western Expedition or "西遊记" had proved.

As such, the ball is now in New Dehli's court as to how she would handle this sino-Indian indifference. She can either believe she is better than China hence gang up with America to become our pain in the butt, or, she can show her authenticity by rapprochement with China. It's New Dehli's choice.

China's arming of herself is not targeted at India, there's no need for us to do that. If we wanted to deal with India, we need not the hardwares we are now stockpiling. The true purpose as to why China is arming at the rate she does is because, in the face of the treat coming from America, China have no other recourse but to arm herself the best she can.

China is not your enemy -- if you don't make her your enemy -- by ganging up with those who have no qualms about harming her if interests dictates it...

In fact, if you don't see us an enemy, which we are not, if you are ever to be taken advantage of again as that of your colonial days, to ensure China's interest, like Korea, China will step in to ensure her own national security.  

Therefore, if you are serious about sino-Indian relationships, your status as a subject of India offers you the opportunity to make those changes -- not via debates with antimatter or me in CD, but by bringing the debate to the law makers in New Dehli.

Do you have what it takes? That waits to be seen...
Putin's a killer. This was the claim made by Fox News journalist; Bill O'Reilly during his recent interview with Donald Trump. Trump's reply came in the form of a simple question. What, you think our country's so innocent?

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Post time 2010-1-16 11:11:55 |Display all floors

Reply #13 edisonone's post

It's as much Beijings choice as New Delhi's. Too much rhetoric from the cheap seats here amongst you armchair generals.

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