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Post time 2009-12-9 05:38:20 |Display all floors
1)ASBM,  antiship ballastic missiles that can kill the aircraft carrier

2)Submarine launched land attack cruise missile.  US and its allies are pretty sophisticated in intercept ballastic missiles but not as good in intercept stealth cruise missiles.    Submarine launched land attack cruise missile can retaliate US bases in Japan and Guam.
The submarine 095 will be able to do that

3)Land based blinding lasers to cause foreign SPY satellites to malfunction.  Blinding laser is better option to launch anti-satellite missiles.

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Post time 2009-12-9 06:40:12 |Display all floors

Reply #1 antimatter's post

1/ ASBM; while a good idea is totally impractical for targetting issues alone. To think that a CVBG, or CSG can be targetted inside a 2million square "box" of ocean is highly theoretical to say the least. You also forget the USN fields SM3 and soon SM6 ABM SAMs on board Aegis vessels which escort the USN CVNs.

2/ SLCM; yes, possible but how will it be "stealthy"? For a SLCMto be truly stealthy it needs a few things. Small RCS, to be sea skimming with perhaps a "pop-up" terminal function and speed. It may even have some form of electronic jamming inherently built in but remember that the USN CVNs carry EW aircraft, AEW aircraft and The F/A -18F has "lookdown"shootdown capability.

3/Yes, laserz can blind satellites as they are today. Would it not then, be a good idea that the next generation have reflective lenses which will reflect the beam rather than absorb it?

Food for thought huh anitmatter? All this hype about China being able to do this and that hasn't come to fruition yet and won't for some time against the US capabilities in the naval spectrum.

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Post time 2009-12-9 08:36:25 |Display all floors
Originally posted by exportedkiwi at 2009-12-9 06:40
1/ ASBM; while a good idea is totally impractical for targetting issues alone. To think that a CVBG, or CSG can be targetted inside a 2million square "box" of ocean is highly theoretical to say the least. You also forget the USN fields SM3 and soon SM6 ABM SAMs on board Aegis vessels which escort the USN CVNs.

2/ SLCM; yes, possible but how will it be "stealthy"? For a SLCMto be truly stealthy it needs a few things. Small RCS, to be sea skimming with perhaps a "pop-up" terminal function and speed. It may even have some form of electronic jamming inherently built in but remember that the USN CVNs carry EW aircraft, AEW aircraft and The F/A -18F has "lookdown"shootdown capability.

3/Yes, laserz can blind satellites as they are today. Would it not then, be a good idea that the next generation have reflective lenses which will reflect the beam rather than absorb it?



1) US aegis as demonstrated intercept missile at launch and mid flight phase. But intercepting missile at its terminal phase at mach 10. No they haven't done it. And if the missile is maneuvable and MRVd, then forget it about interception.

2)cruise missile by itself is already stealth. Low flight and little exhaust. terrain or surface hugging. very hard for radar to detect.

3)if your lenses is reflecting then how you going to do spying??  Since all info got reflected away.  silly contradiction.


All those should be ready within 5 years.     Don't how what you talking about forseeable future.

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Post time 2009-12-9 09:13:28 |Display all floors

Reply #3 antimatter's post

1/ Yes, the missile will be manouverable, but first it has to find the target to manouvre onto it. Remeber, the US can blind your satellites too so it makes these missiles useless. Remember, the SM 3 and 6 are ABMs. They're also ASAT capable.

2/Little exhaust is still detectable, more so with US technology vs Chinese tech (not a dig at Chinese capability) Low flight is detectable by E-4D AEW aircraft onboard the CVNs and also LAMPS helos.

3/ Ever hear of 2 way glass or mirrors? Not contradictory at all if you can think laterally.

It doesn't matter whether these things are available in 5 years or not. !st generation weapons are not the end all- be all. Do you imagine that the US sits still while other countries develop these technologies? I think not!

antimatter, this isn't a "dig" or mockery, just a discussion so please don't take offense.

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Post time 2009-12-9 10:43:34 |Display all floors
Originally posted by exportedkiwi at 2009-12-9 09:13
1)Yes, the missile will be manouverable, but first it has to find the target to manouvre onto it. Remeber, the US can blind your satellites too so it makes these missiles useless. Remember, the SM 3 and 6 are ABMs. They're also ASAT capable.

2/Little exhaust is still detectable, more so with US technology vs Chinese tech (not a dig at Chinese capability) Low flight is detectable by E-4D AEW aircraft onboard the CVNs and also LAMPS helos.

3/ Ever hear of 2 way glass or mirrors? Not contradictory at all if you can think laterally.
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1)Speed makes all the difference.  SM3 hasn't shoot down anything at mach 10.    It's alot easier to shoot when the missile is ascending , and mid course.    When the ballastic is descending at mach 10 , it's very hard to intercept.
The missile has its own internal search radar and infrared sensor.  Even if the satellite gone, it still can function on its own.

2)Land attack target, unlike CBG, is not able to track target at 24/7 and at all angles.   Do you think the airbase or any particular piece of land can heavily defend at 24/7 like the CBG, the answer is no.

3)When or how does your  satellite decide to receive signal (spying) and when to reject(reflecting incoming laser)? how do you decide?  How do you know the incoming laser is harmful unless you have already sample it, which by then it's too late.

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Post time 2009-12-9 11:39:10 |Display all floors

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Post time 2009-12-9 12:41:38 |Display all floors

US defence?

If the strikes by 3 passengers planes on 9/11 show the capability of the US defence system, and indeed the strength of their technology in buildings, then there really shouldn't be any need for the extra technology.   

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