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Post time 2009-2-27 01:18:27 |Display all floors
The two pieces of relics have been auctioned off in Paris, but that is not the main issue. What is important is that we should do something to prevent the other 1-2 million pieces of looted relics from being sold off in the same way. I have got some ideas here:

1. Don't spend one single cent to buy back the relics. This is very important.

2. Continue with the current legal proceedings against the holders of the looted relics, the buyers and the auction companies.

3. Pressure the colonial powers/ pirate states responsible for the looting into returning the relics or to stop the auction. This can be done according to the international law or through political pressure and peaceful demonstration at their embassies.

4. Ban the holders of the looted relics, the buyers and the auction companies from carrying out any business activities in China.

5. Carry out peaceful demonstration in front of the head office of the auction companies, the holders of the looted relics and the buyers persistently.

6. Work together with other nations that also have their relics stolen at the UN. Perhaps, we need to amend the international law which is mainly written by the colonial powers/ pirate states.

Do you have any other ideas to add on? I think whether we will succeed really depends on how persistent we are. We might need to carry out peaceful demonstration for decades before we can achieve the result that we want.

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Post time 2009-2-28 15:49:57 |Display all floors

Fundamental rule: return the objects for a nominal price

Do not recognize the convention drafted by the stealing countries, who are namey USA, UK, Germany, France, Austria, Italy, Netherland, Spain, Japan, Portugal.
The thief who conduct the loot among themselves, such as between Germany and France, they should mutually draft up separate conventions.
The countries which have been looted, namely Asian, Arab & African countries have every right to demand back the stolen objects and offer a fixed price if the thief is not generous enough to return goods with a goodwill. Fixed price could range from 1 dollar to 100k max, so that everyone knows there is no market for stolen treasure from another country. If no receipt can be produced from source of purchase, a jail term or punishment should be imposed.

Now, all Chinese should pin a note on YSL's homo buddy, he should one day be sent to jail before his grave. If a fine is imposed on him, the amount should be relative to his fortune to realise the impact of crime for sale of stolen goods despite warning given to suspend the sale.

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Post time 2009-2-28 16:00:40 |Display all floors
Originally posted by bigstick at 2009-2-27 01:18
The two pieces of relics have been auctioned off in Paris, but that is not the main issue. What is important is that we should do something to prevent the other 1-2 million pieces of looted relics  ...


The Yuan Mingyuan zodiacs busts weren't supposed to be worth in the millions in any currency.  They were priced at around hundred bucks in the 80s, and thats when China in her opening up and reform phrase decided to assert herself.

The heads are crudely made and the concept of using zodiacs is tacky and common.  Did they come up with the number 12 after deciding on the zodiacs, or did they commission 12 spigots first then thought of the zodiacs?

Anyway your 'ideas' will only fuel more excessive interests driving up the price.  But thats what I think is the underlying motives for all the commotion anyway.  Recovering them is not so important as that the world in the forms of auction houses accords them an appropirately hefty price tag, the better to faciliate the narrative of a rich Chinees culture.

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Post time 2009-3-1 21:24:01 |Display all floors

Besides a nominal price

the stolen goods should be returned to owner with illimited time span, ignore the rules drafted by the thiefing countries who state that after 50 years, stolen goods no longer belong to owners, that is an absolute nonsense.
They drafted these stupid rules to protect their stolen goods, in order to steal the second time at higher price and hold the owner country with ransom should there be any dispute between them, or an extortion like what Berge had done with his ridiculous condition. French never give things for free, never ever believe him even if China were to grant his crap. Lies and taunts are practised commonly in France to extort money.

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Post time 2009-3-2 08:01:44 |Display all floors
Diabologist hit the nail on the head. The Chinese care about them because Westerners pay a lot of money for them. They are, in fact, some of the worst art objects to ever come out of China, right up there with late Qing jades.
"Justice prevails... evil justice."

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Post time 2009-3-2 20:08:35 |Display all floors
Seneca,

Incorrect. They were the property of the Imperial House, title to which passed to the Qing upon the deposition of the Ming by force. From there, title passed to the Republic of China in 1911 and that is as far as this story goes because of a little spat midway through the last century.
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