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Originally posted by boring at 2008-12-18 18:24
So the people of TBT & TWN invited the Chinese nation to rule over them? Now, Augusten, we all know there some bloodshed involved in both cases. And in both cases, the indigenous people lost. What DO you call it when a country expands its borders by force defeating & killing the indigenous people? Har.monious Society?...
First, yes there was wars between China's mainland and Tbt/ Twn, so what? There's also peace which then they join the mainland government wholeheartedly without being forced by any military means.
Expand borders by force? A rude accussation.
You never known Chinese history of foreign philosophy, of where many emperrors marry their daughters to the neighboring tribes, which then integrated into greater Chinese nation. This kind of sacrificing own's family members to attain greater goal of peace is strange within European powers, which maybe you've never heard of.
Prince Wen Cheng of Tang dinasty marred to the leader of Tbtan tribes at that time, bringing the skills of silk, Chinese Buddhism (which then with Indian and local practice blended into Tbetan Buddhism), Tang literature and cookery etc etc which then won peace for hundreds of years. Until 842, because of internal division, the Tbetan kingdom thrown into 400 years of wars.
In 1247, the winner of 400 years of war the Sakya sect ask for protection from Yuan dinasty and legitimacy. He become the regional ruler. Yuan dinasty established 15 imperial post between the capital (now Beijing) and Tbet and regularly doing population census. Until Qing dinasty, the 5th DL as leader of the biggest sec, the yellow hat visit the imperial throne at the time and ask for legitimacy to rule Tbet. Every DL has to be authorized and legitimized by the central government then, including today's 14th DL.
Harmonious society, I know you love to ridiclue this, but it is attained for hundred of years, until the early years of 1900's, the Brits colonialist instigate DL at the time to break up. Then 1950's C!A approached DL to break up from mainland.
The rest, you know it.
Methinks you are confusing protectorate with sovereignty again.
How if every Tbetan leaders since Yuan dinasty recognize Chinese rule over Tbet WHOLEHEARTEDLY? What do you call that?
If TWN became part of China during the Ming dynasty, who owned it before that? What happened to the indigenous people?
They still live there, with their own languange and lifestyle. Today's TWN population is the result of intermarriage between natives and Chinese from mainland. The natives also never claimed they owned the island and welcome Ming rule over the island.
Chinese way of treating it's pheriperal territory is largely different from Europeans, maybe hard for you to understand.