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Originally posted by mengzhi at 2008-12-13 21:09
# 27 emu has the bare face to lie about equality between the Aborigines and non-Aborigines ?!  ...

What actual rights and responsibilities do the Aboriginals lack compared to other Australians ?

We know they have preferential access to education and employment programmes (not that there's anything wrong with that).
As for the 17 year life expectancy gap, that is one caused by many issues, including taking responsibility for oneself.

A 20 something Aboriginal fellow who was a teacher's aide, explained to me that foetal alcohol syndrome was the cause of so much difficulty in the area of education of the victims (the children) .

So how to respond;
You stop grog getting into the communities, then you are racist.
You let people make their own decision, and you are perpetuating the problem.

You encourage self respect, taking some responsibility and acting quickly and you get told not to listen to Pearson but pay attention to Dodson.

Mengzhi, it appears to you that the most important things are your ideology, not people's well being.
"他不是救星, 他是一个非常淘气男孩" - Monty Python

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Reply #1 emucentral's post

Britons outlawed slavery please read this an early American account of a slaves life and his attempt to gain freedom in America.


The Selling of Joseph

The Selling of Joseph

Forasmuch as Liberty is in real
value next unto Life: None ought
to part withit themselves, or
deprive others of it, but
upon most mature

The Numerousness of Slaves at this day in the Province, and the Uneasiness of them under their Slavery, haht put many upon thinking whether the Foundation of it be firmly and well laid; so as to sustain the Vast Weight that is built upon it. It is most certain that all Men, as they are the Sons of Adam, are ; and have equal Right unto Liberty, and all other outward Comforts of Life. God hat the Earth [with all its Commodities] unto the Sons of Adam, Pal 115.16. And hat made of One Blood, all Nations of Men, for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hat determined the Times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation: That they should seek the Lord. Forasmuch then as we are the Offspring of GOD &c. Act 17.26, 27, 29. Now although the Title given by the last ADAM, doth infinitely better Mens Estates, respecting GOD and themselves; and grants them a most beneficial and inviolable Lease under the Broad Seal of Heaven, who were before only Tenants at Will: Yet through the Indulgence of GOD to our First Parents after the Fall, the outward Estate of all and every of the children, remains the same, as to one another. So that Originally, and Naturally, there is no such thing as Slavery. Joseph was rightfully no more a Slave to his Brethren, then they were to him: and they had no more Authority to Sell him, than they had to Slay him. And if they had nothing to do to Sell him; the Ishmaelites bargaining with them, and paying down Twenty pieces of Silver, could not make a Title. Neither could Potiphar have any better Interest in him than the Ishmaelites had, Gen. 37, 20, 27, 28. For he that shall in this case plead Alteration of Property, seems to have forfeited a great part of his own claim to Humanity. There is no proportion between Twenty Pieces of Silver, and LIBERTY. The Commodity it self is the Claimer. If Arabian Gold be imported in any quantities, most are afraid to meddle with it, though they might have it a easy rates; lest if it should have been wrongfully taken from the Owners, it should kindle a fire to the Consumption of their whole estate. ÔTis pity there should be more Caution used in buying a Horse, or a little lifeless dust; than there is in purchasing Men and Women: Whenas they are the Offspring of GOD, and their Liberty is,
....Auro pretiosior Omni.
And seeing GOD hat said, He that stealeth a Man and Selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to Death. Exod. 12.16. This Law being of Everlasting Equity, wherein Man Stealing is ranked amongst the most atrocious of Capital Crimes: What louder Cry can there be made of the Celebrated Warning,

Caveat Emptor!

And all thing considered, it would conduce more to the Welfare of the Province, to have White Servants for a Term of Years, than to have Slaves for Life. Few can endure to hear of a Negro's being made free; and indeed they can seldom use their freedom well; yet their continual aspiring after their forbidden, renders them Unwilling Servants. And there is such a disparity in their Conditions, Color & Hair, that they can never embody with us, and grow up into orderly Families, to the Peopling of the Land: but still remain in our Body Politic as a kind of extravasat Blood. As many Negro men as there are among us, so many empty places there are in our Train Bands, and the places taken up of Men that might make Husbands for our Daughters. And the Sons and Daughters of New England would become more like Jacob, and Rachel, if this Slavery were thrust quite out of doors. Moreover it is too well known what Temptations Masters are under, to connive at the Fornification of their Slaves; lest they should be obliged to find them Wives, or pay their Fines. It seems to be practically pleaded that they might be Lawless; Ôtis thought much fo, that the Law should have Satisfaction for their Thefts, and other Immoralities; by which means, Holiness to the Lord, is more rarely engraven upon this sort of Servitude. It is likewise most lamentable to thin, how in taking Negros out of Africa, and selling of them here, That which GOD has joined together men to boldly rend asunder; Men from their Country, Husbands from their Wives, Parents from their Children. How horrible is the Uncleanness, Mortality, if not Murder, that the Ships are guilty of that bring great Crouds of these miserable Men, and Women. Methinks, when we are bemoaning the barbarous Usage of our Friends and Kinsfolk in Africa: it might not be unseasonable to enquire wheter we are not culpable in forcing the Africans to become Slaves amongst our selves. And it may be a questions whether all the Benefit received by Negro Slaves, will balance the Accompt of Cash laid out upon them; and for the Redemption of our own enlstaved Friends out ofAfrica. Besides all the Persons and Estates that have perished there.

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Obj. 1 These Blackamores are of the Posterity of Cham, and therefore are under the Curse of Slavery. Gen. 9.25, 26, 27.
Answ. Of all Offices, one would not begg this; viz. Uncall'd for, to be an Executioner fo the Vindictive Wrath of God; the extent and duration of which is to us uncertain. If this ever was a Commission; How do we know but that it is long since out of date? Many have found it to their Cost, that a Prophetical Denunciation of Judgement against a Person or People, would not warrant them to inflict that evil. If it would, Hazael might justify himself in all he did against his Master, and the Israelites, from 2 Kings 8.10, 12.

But it is possible that by cursory reading, this Text may have been mistaken. For Canaan is the Person Cursed three times over, without the mentioning of Cham. Good Expositors suppose the Curse entailed on him, and that this Prophesie was accomplished in the Extirpation of the Canaanites, and in the Servitude of the Gibeonites. Vide Pareum. Whereas the Balckmores are not descended of Canaan, but of Cush. Psal. 68.31. Princes shall come our to Egypt [Mizraim] Ethopia [Cush] shall soon stretch out her hands unto God. Under which Names, all Aftrica may be comprehended; and the Promised Conversion ought to be prayed for. Jer. 13,23. Can the Ethiopian change his skin? This shows that Black Men are the Posterity of Cush: who time out of mind have been distinguished by their Colour. And for want of the true, Ovid assigns a fabulous cause of it.
Sanguine tum credunt in corpora cumma vacato Aethiopum populous nigrum traxisse coleorm. Metomorph. lib.2.

Obj. 2. The Nigers are brought out of a pagan country, into places where the Gospel is Preached.
Answ. Evil must not be done, that good may come of it. The extraordinary and comprehensive Benefit accruing to the Church of God, and to Joseph personally, did not rectify his brethrens Sale of him.

Obj. 3 The Africans have Wars with one another: our Ships bring lawful Captives taken in those Wars.
Answ. For ought is known, their Wars are much such as were between Jacob's Sons and their brother Joseph. If they be between Town and Town; Provincial, or National: Every War is upon one side Unjust. As Unlawful War can't make lawful Captives. And by Receiving, we are in danger to promote, and partake in their Barbarous Cruelties. I am sure, if some Gentlemen should go down to the Brewsters to take the Air and Fish: And a stronger party from Hull should Surprise them, and Sell them for Slaves to a Ship outward bound: they would think themselves unjustly dealt with; both by Sellers and Buyers. And yet Ôtil to be feared, we have no other kind of Title to our Nigers. Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the Law and the Prophets. Matt. 7.12.

Obj. 4 Abraham had servants bought with his Money, and born in his House.
Answ. Until the Circumstances of Abraham's purchase be recorded, no Argument can be drawn from it. In the mean time, Charity obliges us to conclude, that He knew it was lawful and good

It is Observable that the Israelites were strictly forbidden the buying, or selling of one another for Slaves. Livit. 25.39, 46. Jer.34.8.....22. And GOD gages His Blessing in lieu of any loss they might conceipt they suffered thereby. Deut. 15.18. And since the partition Wall is broken down, inordinate Self love should likewise be demolished. GOD expects that Christians should be of a more Ingenuous and benign frame of spirit.

Christians should carry it to all the World, as the Israelites were to carry it one towards another. And for men obstinately to persist in holding their Neighbours and Brethren under the Rigor of perpetual Bondage, seems to be no proper way of gaining Assurance that God has given them Spiritual Freedom. Our Blessed Saviour has altered the Measures of the Ancient Love-Song, and set it to a most Excellent New Tune, which all ought to be ambitious of Learning. Matt.5, 43, 44. John 13,34. These Ethiopians, as black as they are; seeing they are the Sons and Daughters of the First Adam, the Brethren and Sister of the Last ADAM, and the Offspring of GOD; They ought to be treated with Respect agreeable.

Servitus perfect voluntaria, inter Christianum & Christiainum, ex parte servi patientis saepe est licita quia est necessaria; sed ex parte domini agentis, & prcodurando & exercendo, vis potestesse licita; quia non convenit regulae illi generali: Quecunque volueritis ut faciant vobis homines, ita & vos facite eis. Matt. 7.12.

Perfecta servitus poenae, non potest jure locim havere, nisi ex delicto gravi quod ultimum supplicum aliquo modo meretur; quia Libertas ex naturali aestimatione proxime accedit ad vitam ipsam, & eidem a multis praeferri solet.
Ames. Cas. Consc. Lib. 5
Cap. 23 Thes. 2, 3
BOSTON of the Massachusets
Printed by Bartholomew Green, and John Allen, June 24th, 1700.

Massachussetts Historical Society, Boston


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Britons having outlawed slavery wasn't the crux of the matter as a matter of fact it wasn't being a slave or indentured servant it was living in America.

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Virginia's slave codes

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The status of blacks in Virginia slowly changed over the last half of the 17th century. The black indentured servant, with his hope of freedom, was increasingly being replaced by the black slave.

In 1705, the Virginia General Assembly removed any lingering uncertainty about this terrible transformation; it made a declaration that would seal the fate of African Americans for generations to come...

"All servants imported and brought into the Country...who were not Christians in their native Country...shall be accounted and be slaves. All Negro, mulatto and Indian slaves within this dominion...shall be held to be real estate. If any slave resist his master...correcting such slave, and shall happen to be killed in such correction...the master shall be free of all if such accident never happened."

The code, which would also serve as a model for other colonies, went even further. The law imposed harsh physical punishments, since enslaved persons who did not own property could not be required to pay fines. It stated that slaves needed written permission to leave their plantation, that slaves found guilty of murder or rape would be hanged, that for robbing or any other major offence, the slave would receive sixty lashes and be placed in stocks, where his or her ears would be cut off, and that for minor offences, such as associating with whites, slaves would be whipped, branded, or maimed.

For the 17th century slave in Virginia, disputes with a master could be brought before a court for judgement. With the slave codes of 1705, this no longer was the case. A slave owner who sought to break the most rebellious of slaves could now do so, knowing any punishment he inflicted, including death, would not result in even the slightest reprimand.

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Reply #16 emucentral's post

How do get the idea that's my logic, you slanderous little arsehole.

My point, of course, is that slavery was not exclusive to the western Europeans.
It was practiced by Africans, Arabs and Asians, and the brick kilns in China show that it's being practiced even today in China.

However it seems that it is only the whiteys who are condemned for slavery 200 years ago.

This is clear evidence of racially biased criticism of western Europeans by today's Fascists of the East.

Your point is that everywhere a slave was at work and yet I have proved that the very masters of slaves wished that the design of slavery was in fact different.  The "White Masters" that is and for more evidence that slavery was never a "good bargain" slavery in the New World is shown to be the worst of all forms of contracts.

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Post time 2008-12-15 14:56:24 |Display all floors

Blaming the victims is a governmental policy .

emu shows that he is clueless about the plight of the Australian Aborigines . So all their drug taking , domestic abuses , alcoholism and lack of education is their fault ?!  This is exactly the blind and blinkered head in the sand attitude of the likes of P. Hanson and J. Howard . They don't want to know and they don't care . Their predecessors did try hard to kill them off repeatedly and failed . If only they ( Aborigine ) were more amenable and did the right thing by dying out , then the whites like emu would be shedding crocodile tears for their demise and would swear on a stack of bibles that  , if only they were still alive , he and his mates would move the world to help them .

The hypocrisy is palpable and insincere , mate .

PS: Who introduced alcohol and drugs to these kind souls ??

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Post time 2008-12-15 20:37:36 |Display all floors
Originally posted by mengzhi at 2008-12-15 16:56
So all their drug taking , domestic abuses , alcoholism and lack of education is their fault ?!  

Well, I do think that many of them have the same person to blame as Ben Cousins has to blame for his drug problem.
"他不是救星, 他是一个非常淘气男孩" - Monty Python

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