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Post time 2008-8-24 19:21:25 |Display all floors
Originally posted by tongluren at 2008-8-24 02:44
It is certainly true that when and if enough was paid, the officials will continue to let the Yanks do whatever they want.  

Olympics of the dueling slipperies, coming up in 2012 in London.  

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You still continue this pathetic attempt to denigrate Phelps. The suits are not nearly as important as you make them. They are just made from a different type of material. The don't make him swim any faster. You know, sometimes technology improves, right? They didn't play tennis with wooden racquets or basketball in Cuck Taylor Converse shoes. The athlete still has to compete. Plus, let's make this clear, for the last time.......EVERYONE WAS USING THE SAME SWIMSUITS!!!!!!!!!!!

Or, guess what?! Your precious Liu Xiang run a bunch of races using very expensive track shoes that are designed to be extremely light weight and durable. I think he should have to give back his gold medal. It's obviously unfair. People in the old days had much heavier shoes.

Seriously, Phelps is amazing athlete, the most amazing Olympic athlete ever. Unfortunately, you see that he is an American and, therefore, will try and make anything he does unimportant, evil or lucky.

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Post time 2008-8-25 06:05:38 |Display all floors
Originally posted by capt_kirk at 2008-8-23 02:43
I think you very wrong. I think people picked Mr. Bolt, for a variety of reasons.

1. The arrogance of the USA swimmer.


I think it's interesting that you mention arrogance.  Who was the athlete who slowed down right before the finish line to thump his chest in victory?

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Post time 2008-8-25 06:23:46 |Display all floors

Face the Scientific FACT

The real question will always remain, CAN PHELPS really beat Mark Spitz pants down??!!  You will never find out, unless Phelps DO THE HONORABLE THING and swim the 2012 Games WITHOUT the augmentation.

Read the Time Magazine Aug. 13 issue online, "High-Tech Swimsuits: Winning Medals Too."  There are no if's or but's.  The slipperies are not bought off the rack.  To have optimal results, they have to be tweaked.  The American swimmers were working daily with the engineers to have the slippery suits fitted and re-tailored, and that went on for years until they squeezed every last once of speed out of the high-tech artifice.  Yes, perhaps the other swimmers, if they so choose, can splurge the $500 or more to buy one of the suits off the rack.  But without the refitting and training and re-tailoring, they will not be getting Phelps' results.  The fitting and re-tailoring service is HUGELY expensive, and is neither afforable nor available to ALL of the swimmers that train for the Olympics - remember the key is TRAIN FOR.  If they do not get a chance to train using the same artifice that the Yanks wear to the pools, they are and will be disadvantaged, as the technology of the slippery suits are not stagnant, and they will keep improving as we move to 2012.  Your point, Unimane, about Liu Xiang's shoes is inapposite, as the shoes are not custom made, not like the American swim team's refitted slippery suits.

This is not denigrating anyone's efforts.  This is a question of honor and being honest, and competing with other sportsmen on a level playing field.  But then perhaps I am preaching to someone who could not understand these concepts.

Olympics is about pure sports.   Wearing an artifice that is scientifically proven to increase the speed of the performance, something that is NOT generally available (the off the rack item is NOT the same item) to the other sportsmen, is totally unsportsman like.

What's past is past.  But will the Yanks act honorably going forward, and try to break the records in 2012 in London with their pants down (literally)?  Mark Spitz did 7 gold medals with just his briefs.  Can Phelps or the other Yanks try to best that, this time around without the augmentation?

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Post time 2008-8-25 06:40:45 |Display all floors
Originally posted by tongluren at 2008-8-24 14:23
The real question will always remain, CAN PHELPS really beat Mark Spitz pants down??!!  You will never find out, unless Phelps DO THE HONORABLE THING and swim the 2012 Games WITHOUT the augmentatio ...


Your grabbing at straws, tongluran.  The swimsuits did not provide a benefit needed to make a difference between winning or losing.  And besides, they are available to anybody who wants them so if they were really beneficial you would have seen more athletes using them.

Phelps had to finish several races with malfunctioning swimming goggles that left him unable to see where he was swimming.  This put him at a HUGE disadvantage over the other swimmers yet he still finished first in both of those races.

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Post time 2008-8-25 11:02:05 |Display all floors
Originally posted by tongluren at 2008-8-24 16:23
The real question will always remain, CAN PHELPS really beat Mark Spitz pants down??!!  You will never find out, unless Phelps DO THE HONORABLE THING and swim the 2012 Games WITHOUT the augmentatio ...


It doesn't increase anything. It is just a piece of clothing. All it does is reduce some friction, supposively. I have even talked to some swimmers and they say it doesn't help that much anyway. By the way, Phelps was breaking Spitz's times very badly even before the introduction of the suits. Every argument you make on this issue is stupid and transparently anti-American.

And I'm not sure why American swimmers should not wear the suits and other people can.

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Post time 2008-8-25 20:15:42 |Display all floors
Can a athelet win more gold medals than Phelps?
No,he is on the top!

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