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Post time 2008-8-15 11:22:49 |Display all floors
People here are pretty dumb, it seems.

The problem for fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan isn't finding weapons, it's finding fighters. As conditions improve and groups are co-opted by the governments, there is less incentive to fight. Russia won't be willing to actively back Iran because Iranian ambitions threaten Russian ambitions no matter what. The two states are competitors in a number of arenas. The Russians have basically painted themselves into a corner diplomatically and strategically.

While Russia can react to US strategies by deploying more forces around, it doesn't do anything: US deployments successfully deny Russia the face it wants and new escalations do nothing but further weaken the non-oil economy. Putin thought that oil money could turn Russia into an empire again and discovered that he has been very very wrong.

Now we just need to wait for China, which already competes with Russia in Central Asia, to use its far greater clout and cleaner history in the region to lock out Russian control of oil there.
"Justice prevails... evil justice."

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Post time 2008-8-15 20:06:04 |Display all floors
Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

22 minutes ago

MOSCOW - A top Russian general said Friday that Poland's agreement to accept a U.S. missile defense battery exposes ex-communist nation to attack, possibly by nuclear weapons, the Interfax news agency reported.

The statement by Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn is the strongest threat that Russia has issued against the plans to put missile defense elements in former Soviet satellite nations.

Poland and the United States on Thursday signed a deal for Poland to accept a missile interceptor base as part of a system the United States says is aimed at blocking attacks by rogue nations. Moscow, however, feels it is aimed at Russia's missile force.

"Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike — 100 percent," Nogovitsyn, the deputy chief of staff, was quoted as saying.

He added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia's military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them." Nogovitsyn that would include elements of strategic deterrence systems, he said, according to Interfax.

U.S. officials have said the timing of the deal was not meant to antagonize Russian leaders at a time when relations already are strained over the recent fighting between Russia and Georgia over the South Ossetia region.

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Post time 2008-8-15 20:44:23 |Display all floors
Originally posted by augusten at 2008-8-15 21:06
Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

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MOSCOW - A top Russian general said Friday that Poland's agreement to accept a U.S. missile defense ba ...



NW,

Look at it from the bright side. Since almost two years the US tried to downplay these missiles and wanted the world to believe that they are anti Iran missiles etc. Now this myth was burried 1st class. We all know now the real intention. Sometimes it's better to know the facts than believe in fairy tales.

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Post time 2008-8-15 21:19:09 |Display all floors
Originally posted by interesting at 2008-8-15 11:22
People here are pretty dumb, it seems.

The problem for fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan isn't finding weapons, it's finding fighters. As conditions improve and groups are co-opted by the governm ...


And the dumbest of all is the brontosaurus from America.

N.A.T.O. is having major problems in Afghanistan and rebellion in Iraq is still simmering, with Iran being able to turn up the temp. control there any time it needs to (hence the recent reluctance of the U.S. to give the green light for Israel to attack Iran).   

The best recruitment campaign for the Taliban was done compliments of Uncle Sam's dumb bombing of innocent civilians there, no doubt by using so-called "smart bombs".  Finding fighters, it seems, is no problem for the Taliban.

As the U.S. appears to have found new friends in Eastern Europe, Chin.a and Russia are finding new friends in South America to complement that of Cuba.

Just as the U.S. has allies in N.A.T.O., Russia has allies in the S.C.O. (including China).

But the biggest surprise of all for Uncle Sam will be Russia's response.

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Post time 2008-8-15 22:42:24 |Display all floors
Originally posted by satsu_jin at 2008-8-15 20:44
NW,

Look at it from the bright side. Since almost two years the US tried to downplay these missiles and wanted the world to believe that they are anti Iran missiles etc. Now this myth was  ...


Deploying arms in your arch-enemy front gate... then claimed it for intercepting Iran's.

Seems that saying stoopid things or pretend to be an idiot are requirements to be a US State department spokesman.

But I also remember a lot of US State secretary are PhDs.

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Post time 2008-8-15 23:48:41 |Display all floors
Poland is part of the European Union and our member nations are allowed to improve their defensive capabilities if they deem it is important.

WE are not Russia´s backyard, our member nations are not Russia´s puppets.  

European Union is strong enough to hold its ground against anyone.

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Post time 2008-8-15 23:49:18 |Display all floors
Poland : PART OF THE EUROPEAN COMMUNITY

So Russia can just concentrate on improving their own economy instead of making meaningless threats.

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