Author: thepeop

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Post time 2008-7-15 19:32:24 |Display all floors
TP,

Because people will believe anything they're told if they're told that long enough. That's how they believe the Yuan are a dynasty of China's rather than, as their contemporaries believed, Mongol usurpers of the Throne of Heaven.

Never ask for coherence from Chinese politics, it is all about face and other forms of BS.
"Justice prevails... evil justice."

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Post time 2008-7-15 20:37:36 |Display all floors

IQ the size of your shoes .

It is no wonder that the empires of your forebears have all evaporated . The way this generation think , you can't fight your way out of a wet paper bag .

Bring home message :  Mongolia became independent in 1911 .The PRC came into being in 1949 . The PRC is interested only in keeping the existing borders which it inherited at the end of the civil war . Any other discussion and regurgitation you will have to do it all by your lonesome selves . What a lot of country cousins !!

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Post time 2008-7-15 22:51:23 |Display all floors
Seriously, all you have now is insults?

For the last time... please read this slowly and repeatedly to allow it to sink in.  

I am interested in the opinions of (mainland) Chinese people, not the official position of the state.  Since you can't even cope with pinyin, I doubt you can help on that score.

Secondly, even the most basic historical facts you keep coming up with are simply wrong.  Mongolia did not become independent in 1911.  It and T B both took advantage of the collapse of the Qing to effectively separate, but Mongolia saw the return of Chinese soldiers in the years that followed.

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Post time 2008-7-16 02:01:43 |Display all floors

For #25 for interesting

Thank you, interesting, for that intereting comment. Perhaps you were going to tell us next that Texas did not belong to Mexico before 1835 when the American 'pioneers' instigated its independence. You could then go on to tell us that California, Arizona, New Mexico, etc. never belonged to Mexico.

By the way, what was the citizenship of those colonists in North America before they broke away from their government in 18th century?

Let's get it straight. The Qing Dynasty was China. Period! As were all the dynasties prior to it, including the Yuan Dynasty, when the Mongals's influence was at its peak. Historically, China's central government was under minority ethnic groups in the Yuan and Qing Dynasties. Nevertheless, they governed China as a multi-ethnic nation. That's what China has been.

China has grown through all those empires and China is still here today, her destiny firmly in the hands of her own people. Those noble-minded western powers should stop dreaming of breaking up China. They should leave their fancy interpretations of history to themselves.

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Post time 2008-7-16 02:29:47 |Display all floors

For thepeop

It's quite obvious that China's map from the Qing Dynasty includes the now Mongolia, or what is still called 'the outer-Mongolia' by many, as well as large chunks of lands elsewhere, such as north-east of the Leilongjing River and to the outer west of Xinjiang...

Mongolia's independence was instigated by the Soviet Union who wanted to creat a buffer zone and a satelitte nation by taking advantage of the weak China after the 1911 Revolution. Mongolia's independence was not even recognized by the KMT government until 1945 under the pressure of the Soviet Union, when China was at its weakest again, after the war with Japan. Stalin had many designs on China, and the Mongolia issue was one of them.

For a large and multi-ethnic nation like China, ethinic conflicts should not be surprising things to happen. Tell us which country is free of ethnic issues. The United States, France, UK, Australia, New Zealand, to name a few. However, when a large country like China was weak, those coveting foreign powers would invariably take advantage of it to bully China and carve up China. Mongolia's independence occurred at one of those times.

Given the long history of being a part of China and it natural links with Inner Mongolia, if Mongolia should want to rejoin China in future, and of course as a possibility down the road, they could count on China's welcome.

China has now grown strong enough to defend her own national security, sovereignty and territorial integrity and national unity. Those well-wishers whould embrace China and seriously work with her for a better world tomorrow. Those day dreamers should stop dreaming and get real, to say the least!!!

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Post time 2008-7-16 07:07:36 |Display all floors
Xing,

Your comment doesn't make any sense. Until the Republic, China was not a unified country like, for example, the US or Mexico, but a series of royal titles held by the Emperor. Certain provinces of the Empire were de jure independent according to Chinese law, they simply shared an emperor. This is precisely the case in numerous circumstances throughout history but it's a subtle political point, something the Chinese have trouble with.
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Post time 2008-7-16 09:12:02 |Display all floors
Thanks for the reply Xinghai.  Do you feel that Mongolia should return to China?  To put it another way, if it never returned would that trouble you?  As I mentiored, the (Chinese-language) discussions of Mongolia's return are largely characterised by people laughing at the idea- some pointing out that Mongolians, having (in their view) fought for their independence, are not necessarily friendly toward their 'former rulers'.

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