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Post time 2008-6-6 13:53:53 |Display all floors
Though the kinds of soil to produce wheat, rice, corn, tobacco, grapes and flower are not the same, but I think there is relation between some food prices and the consumption of beer, wine, tobacco and flower.

The farmers or producers  are profit-driven. Supply and demand theory-- More people drink beer, wine,smoke and use flower will not make the producers to switch to producing staple food or vegetable and food.When the profit from producing staple food is catching the prices of producing beer, tobacco, wine and flower, there'll be a chance.

Of course agriculture technology can help to increase staple food production. But there're other factors that affect the production such as weather change and human behaviour change. It's not realistic to rely on the weather. The things common people can do to help curbing food prices hike are:

1. cut down comsumption of beer etc.
2. call your government to ban so-and-so activities
   (make fuel from staple food)
    (fast-eating competition)
     (throwing tomatoes, oranges in some festivals)

what more? ban smoking, ban drinking after 10pm?

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Post time 2008-6-6 14:20:54 |Display all floors

Reply #1 amyamy's post

All products of human effort has a market and it's own normal price levels.

It's the BIG SNAKE's manipulation or sometimes supply limitation situation that causes various changes.
however, most changes are only temperary and will eventually needs to come back to their normal levels.


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Post time 2008-6-6 14:41:58 |Display all floors
i   agree   with  you!

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Post time 2008-6-6 16:46:22 |Display all floors

it's an apocalypse

I think the main reason is climate change. I don't know whether it's caused by human activity like contributing too much CO2 or the earth is just entering another period of frequent geological activities like earthquake and volcano eruption etc.
One thing that's truly hard to eradicate is the idea.

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Post time 2008-6-6 17:56:00 |Display all floors
Yes, flood and drought affect agriculture produce. But we can't change that. The possible things we can do is to change human activities.

Here's some figures

Beer Consumption (1000 hl) 2004
Country         Beer consumption        
Belgium         9703        
Denmark         4.862         Border-trade not included
Finland         4370        
France         20200        
Germany         95.639         (1.000 hl)
Greece                
Ireland         5206        
Italy         17194        
Lithuania         2790        
Luxembourg                
Malta                
Netherlands         12.687        
Norway         2490        
Poland                
Portugal         6266        
Spain                
Sweden         4635        
Switzerland         4 262        
Turkey                
United Kingdom         59195
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How much grains it needs to produce malt and the beer?
And if the grains go to be used as staple food, it would lower the prices of food.

I heard the London mayor has recently done something about the opening hours of the bars and banned drinking in the underground trains. This may change the activity. The Brits have the bar culture. They spend so much time and money on beer and spirit.
Vision without action is illusion---Y.J.

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Post time 2008-6-6 18:16:55 |Display all floors
Originally posted by amyamy at 2008-6-6 13:53
Though the kinds of soil to produce wheat, rice, corn, tobacco, grapes and flower are not the same, but I think there is relation between some food prices and the consumption of beer, wine, tobacco ...


u tell that to germans
What's on your mind now........ooooooooooooooo la la....Kind Regards

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Post time 2008-6-6 18:31:31 |Display all floors

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Originally posted by amyamy at 2008-6-6 17:56
Yes, flood and drought affect agriculture produce. But we can't change that. The possible things we can do is to change human activities.

Here's some figures

Beer Consumption (1000 hl) 2004

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I think a lot of the countries listed are traditional grape growers so drink wine. The colder countries grow the hops and barley for beer.

If you are going to cut down on beer consumption then you need to apply your logic to all alchoholic drinks including wine (grapes), cider (apples) etc. And why stop at alchoholic drinks as many of the ingredients are used in non alchoholic drinks. Then again - let's all dig up the tea bushes and just drink water.

Then when you have persuaded the farmers to reinvest in different crops, you will have to find new jobs for people who used to sell the drink products. They are all going to be so depressed that they are going to want to get drunk......

There are a number of reasons why food has suddenly become expensive and a lot of it is linked to the fact that exports are typically priced in American dollars. Because the dollar has depreciated people are asking for more dollars to compensate.

There are the investment companies like banks, insurance companies etc who have moved their money into the comodities market. There is now so much money available in the comodities market that the price has gone up along with the demand.  There isn't really a global food shortage unless you consider....

The Americans have switched a substantial portion of their agricultural industry into growing to produce biofuels. So the reduced supply of maize has pushed up the global price because they are exporting less.

So what you have to do is to persuade the Americans that they have made a mistake in both their economic policies and their agricultural policies. You will also have to have a global agreement to stop commodity speculation - you buy it - you eat it.

But I'm not going to give up beer and throwing rotten fruit!
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