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Post time 2008-5-7 05:00:48 |Display all floors

You know...

... if they just said this to begin with - it probably made the situation a bit easier.

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China acknowledges tightened visa procedures ahead of Olympics

The Associated Press - Tuesday, May 6, 2008

BEIJING: China has tightened visa controls ahead of the Olympic Games, with invitation letters and hotel reservations required for some travelers, the government acknowledged Tuesday after weeks of insisting the entry process was business as usual.

"We have made some arrangements according to the practice of the past Olympics and usual international practice. That is, in the approval process we are more strict and more serious with the procedure," Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said.

The changes come amid fears the summer games will be disrupted by protesting activists or possibly terrorists — a concern deepened after the troubled progress made by the international Olympic torch relay.

The flame's round-the-world tour was dogged by protests in London, Paris and other cities where demonstrators voiced their disapproval at Beijing's clampdown on a broad uprising among Tibetans against Chinese rule.

In a country where control has long been paramount, China is facing unprecedented challenges when an estimated half million visitors come to Beijing in August for the Olympics, along with 10,500 international athletes and 18,000 journalists.

There have been numerous reports of foreigners being kicked out of Beijing because of tightening visa restrictions. The government seems to be targeting students, apparently fearing some might mount pro-Tibet demonstrations during the games.

But travelers, bloggers, foreign embassy officials and travel agents are also complaining that they are having trouble getting visas to stay in the country during the Olympic period.

Qin said the policies would "be maintained for a period of time," but did not give further details.

However, the official Xinhua News Agency said Tuesday that extra checks on travelers could include providing invitation letters, proof of accommodation and round trip air tickets. It cited a statement from the consular department of the Foreign Ministry.

It also said visa applicants are encouraged to apply in their country of citizenship. Many foreigners used to apply for visas in Hong Kong.

China has said it faces threats from Tibetan separatists overseas seeking to disrupt the games, branding one Tibetan group a terrorist organization. An attempt in March to hijack an airplane was blamed on Islamic separatists among the Uighur population in the western region of Xinjiang.

Activist groups critical of China's human rights abuses and its rule over Tibet have pledged to try to disrupt the games.

Travel agents in Hong Kong, a major gateway into China, reported last month that the government visa office had declared multiple-entry business visas would not be available from mid-April until mid-October. In the past, such visas were easily obtainable.

Adding to the confusion was China's continued insistence that no changes had been made to its visa policy.

Qin said it was not true all multiple-entry visas had been suspended. He did not give further details.

"What is unchanged and will not change is safeguarding our national security and making sure our environment is safe and making sure foreigners in China will be safe," he said at a news conference.

Both the American and European chambers of commerce in Hong Kong sent letters to the Chinese government last month, citing several cases of visa denials and raising concerns over the impact on business.
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Post time 2008-5-7 05:02:30 |Display all floors

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Things probably would of went a bit easier this was announced at the get go.
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Post time 2008-5-7 09:42:35 |Display all floors
Originally posted by doberman at 2008-5-6 12:24
China has all rights to implement visa procedures as they wish. Tough or relaxed. The effect will be what will be according to the actions.
For example, the USA has exactly the same rights and the ...


Of course, they do, but it's going to be a bummer for Chinese schools when they can't find any FTs any more.

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Post time 2008-5-7 13:39:39 |Display all floors
Hmmm. Some pretty strange...guess "logic" is the word to use even if that seems illogical.

So, let's just clear things up shall we?

First off, the vacuous American press comments and outright lies "printed" as "fact":

Until the official announcement by the govt. office in authority there was no formal information so the little dig of "insisting" this or that is irrelevant. Until the formal promulgation of the changes, anything stated by anyone was mere speculation - something of course loved by the western pseudo-news groups as the claptrap they spew is 95% speculation anyway.

So now it's official, what's the big deal? Official is official as it has now been formally stated by the govt. dept. responsible.

There was no "clampdown" in TB there was a put down of terrorist acts. Gee, guess that means America is only "clamping down" on the people of Iraq? The terrorist acts were not a "broad uprising" they were terrorist acts. Gee, guess bin Laden and the other Saudis involved in 911 were just "uprising" against American rule in the Middle East.

Foreigners were not being "kicked out" they were being challenged to show that they were in the country legally and when they couldn't provide such proof of legality, they were expatriated, just like - or rather not exactly "just like" because unlike in America they were not first jailed for some time and then driven to the border and watched as they went back across into Mexico. The illegals in China were taken to the nearest exit without the jail time.

No, the govt. is not "targeting students" because most students have legal study visas and as long as they have not violated the laws of China and are not suspected of being a potential problem, they are fine. Since protesting is illegal in China, if some moron foreign student thinks they can violate China law by doing so then they are simply to dumb to pass courses in Chinese universities anyway and should be sent packing. Breaking the law is breaking the law. Gee, isn't it wonderful how breaking the law in China suddenly becomes an acceptable thing to do when the useless foreign "press" mouths off?

The only people having "trouble" getting visas are those that have some sort of god-complex that grants them personal license to avoid the laws in the country into which they are trying to get.

Leaving the usual inflammatory garbage that have little relation to visas, going down to the multi-entry variety: No, they have not always been "easily obtainable." There were always requirements such as identifying both the foreign company the applicant worked for, the intended company or companies the businessman intended to visit in China, providing proof of the intention of doing business. The simple fact that so many illegals only obtain tourist visas and then get jobs attests to the fact that multi-entry visas were not "easily obtainable" in the past.

Again, NO, there was no "insistence" of no changes, the formal announcement of any changes had not been made so there was nothing to counter the existing situation UNTIL the formal announcement was made. Just more foreign pseudo-information babble.

It is also not true that multi-entry visas have been suspended, just the length of time and the number of entries has been amended for the time being. After all, 2 is a multiple of 1, and if an applicant can prove beyond doubt that they have all the requirements: legal job, legal working visa, legal company employing them, etc., then there are even other "possibilities" dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

Citing the "American and European" chambers of commerce is rather useless because of course there are Americans and Europeans that are terrorists and/or terrorist supporters that will whine and blather-on that they are not being allowed to enter China and raise shyte. I fail to see the relevance. Wonder if Osama bin Laden could get a visa to enter America?

As for the other comment about foreign teachers, the "REAL" foreign teachers that are legally employed, and in legal schools and universities, have the requisite teaching degrees, the requisite contract with their employer, etc., will already have a Temporary Resident permit as well as a Working Permit to go along with their working visa, and they need not have any concern whatsoever.

The backpacking non-teachers that bum around China cheating Chinese people that get conned by illegal and semi-legal "training" centers that use the presence of a white face, regardless of the ability of that white face to do anymore than read from a book and have the poor students repeat, and who do not have any of the requisites are probably going to be turfed, and for the most part, it couldn't happen to a more worthy bunch.

It is about time that the China govt. put the kibosh on people breaking China law by working while on a tourist or even a student visa, just like is done in America, Canada, Australia, Britain and other countries. Getting rid of the illegal, non-teaching degree backpackers masquerading as teachers is a good thing for Chinese children. Getting rid of tourists that work illegally, don't pay taxes and yet benefit from their criminal activities is also a good thing.

It is all so easy for those with legal status. All businessmen have to show are previous granting of business visas, the information from their employer in the form of an invitation letter signed and "stamped" by their employer, information provided on their address while in China...nothing that is a hassle for anyone that is in China legally.

As for the illegals...the party's over, and that is just as it should be.

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Post time 2008-5-7 16:50:38 |Display all floors
Originally posted by oneweare at 2008-5-7 13:39
...The only people having "trouble" getting visas are those that have some sort of god-complex that grants them personal license to avoid the laws in the country into which they are trying to get...



Canchin, the troubles concern everybody now, well , may be they are a very few special exceptions, but in majority of cases getting visa now is not what it was before. Guys from companies doing business in China ( buying products here) are having trouble to obtain business visa to China. Mostly these are time- wise problems. It takes so long time that unless you plan the visit long time ahead, you will not come here because the situation suddenly needs you here. I am talking of what I know for sure. I am having these cases now.

As to the announcements. I read before that somebody from Chinese authorities was denying any changes to the visa procedures before. Only now it was confirmed.
My opinion : this is a typical denial tactics, so many times seen here. Denial , which only after some time changes into acceptance of the facts seen by naked eye by too many people.

Nobody would deny that only Chinese authorities are sole source of any visa rule they wish to implement. But telling BS and talking about different shades of white is political/beaurocratic rubbish. There was no need to maim and talk the reality better than it was.
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