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Post time 2008-4-22 06:18:53 |Display all floors
Originally posted by lihan9909 at 2008-4-21 04:11 PM
还是做人不能太CCTV了吧。

CCTV 之于 CNN,那是10000步笑50步。

稍为纠点错,以免被人抓住来反攻:“但他们似乎很自豪在各自的殖民国家都实施的民主制度例如当初的香港”——不是的,他们只是实行了效率很高的殖民地管治制度。香港当年是有相当高的经济和社会自由,但完全没有民主。当然,现在其实也没有。

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Originally posted by rainbow at 2008-4-20 21:33
外国不是天堂!


Who ever said it was?

中国不是天堂


That's an understatement.

中国人不全是完人


Obviously

中国政府不是圣人。短短的50年时间,中国的面貌发生了多大的改变。冰箱、彩电、电视等等走近了普通中国人的家庭,你我普通人可以上网沟通聊天。现在中国发卫星上天,


Okay, good points. China's economy has grown a lot over the 50 years. People can now afford basic daily necessities. So what? Tell me something I don't know.  

中国从一个又穷又落后的国家到养活世界上五分之一人口容易吗?这在旧中国是可以想象的吗?去看看,非洲的那些国家,多少人饿着肚子啊?


What kind of person ridicules Africa to prop up China?

美国人真的是为中国人好吗?


Without the American consumer, your economy would have collapsed long ago. Without those factory jobs, millions of Chinese would be unemployed and angry.

他们所谓的人---权---就是侵略别的国家。


Yes, we topple repressive, belligerent dictatorships and liberate the people.

他们不是要找核武器吗?可是他们把撒达姆的头杀了,还是没有找到。


I don't care. Sadam was aiding terrorists and now he's dead. Let that be a lesson to any dictator who sponsors terrorism. I don't care if he was or wasn't developing nukes. He had violated 16 UN resolutions, had gassed his own people, threatened his neighbors, and deserved to be toppled. We should have done it during the first Gulf War.

美国人真的是要给中国人带来幸福的吗?


That depends. Do the Chinese want to bring wealth and happiness to Americans?

为什么美国驻军强奸了日本女人,可是日本政府不敢哼一声。


Any soldier that commits a crime abroad will be brought to justice. The Japanese did protest this incident, so your statement is untrue.

中国的环境不好,我承认。


Well, at least you'll admit your country's flaws. 16 of the world's 20 most polluted cities are located in China. It's one of China's greatest challenges.

可是中国占世界上人口的五分之一啊,美国呢?他们是世界上第一污染大国。


Not any more. China has already surpassed the US in CO2 emissions, in addition to having the world's most polluted air.

作为全世界最发达的国家,为什么他们不去签限制CO2的《京都条约》?


First of all, the treaty was flawed because countries like China and India weren't involved in the process.

Second, over the past 2 years America has reduced its CO2 emissions, while countries like Canada have increased their CO2 emissions and have yet to live up to their Kyoto Treaty obligations.  

How about China? China's CO2 emissions are increasing annually at a rapid pace. China also needs to be held accountable and stop placing the blame solely on developed countries.

Any international agreement to cut CO2 emmissions needs to involve India and China.

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meiguodiyi - 幼稚或走狗?

Your comments on the quote "中国不是天堂" as an understatement display your Western bias and outdated superiority. It therefore deserves a firm and immediately rebuttal from a foreign citizen of Chinese descent like me.
With regards to the Chinese economy and good governance, you asked what can be told to you that you don't know. Well, let me enlightened your ignorant and 19th century mentality then.
China progress is not about material things and the people's well-being. It's about the progressive thought and excellent leadership sweeping the country since Deng Xiaoping transformed its society. It's about the government's determination to stamp out corruption and outdated mindsets despite its immense difficulty. Remember China has one quarter of the world's population, an old bureaucracy and a very different culture of diverse dialects. It's about changing attitudes and raising societal values.
Contrast that with the West where it is more common to see leaders of questionable capabilities, hypocritical moral values, and greed for power and self-indulgence. It's about an ex-alcoholic and incompetent person becoming president, about an impatient deputy leader pushing the incumbent prime minister of his office, about a power-hungry politician who ignores state affairs after becoming president and dumps his wife for a younger ex-model, about an ex-attorney general  who rose to become governor on the ticket of championing the fight against vice and corruption only to be found to be the "hound and the hare" at the same time. And not forgetting the evangelical leaders who spew moral teachings at the pulpit but steal church funds for their luxurious and lascivious lifestyle in the at the sprawling villas, about senators running for presidential elections and doing monkey-business with a sexy model on board the yacht aptly named "Monkey Business" :-)
Let me tell you the real understatement. It is your "Tell me something I don't know" :-)
On Africa, you asked, "What kind of person ridicules Africa to prop up China?" It appears you have conveniently ignored that the Chinese comment was borrowed from Western media reports on Africa. The Chinese writer was merely repeating a global fact. If that fact is a ridicule of Africa, then the western media is damningly guilty of repeating the ridicule many times over :-)
"Without Americans consuming your products, your economy would have collapsed long ago....." appears to be the mother of all laughable trash [sorry that I've to borrow an adjective from Saddam Hussein; I know you don't like him a bit :-)] Please don't place yourself on such high moral ground lest the pedestal gives way, just like the weak American economy. Looks like you don't belong to educated elite of American society and, quite understandably, doesn't know a thing about American capitalism. Free market economy dictates that demand will go to the supply with the lowest price. It is not as if Americans is helping the Chinese factories producing the goods. If you have the time to refer back to American media reports, you'll realise that cheap Chinese goods had in fact helped to put a lid on American inflation for several years. American economists even termed it Chinese-exported deflation world-wide. In reality, without Chinese goods, American inflation would have raced ahead in tandem with its relentless consumerism (but without the savings and investments needed to finance American economic growth). In reality too, without Chinese massive purchase of American treasury bills to finance your unsustainable current account and budget deficits, the American "economy would have collapsed long ago" [pardon me for borrowing your naive statement:-)] But don't be too happy too soon though. American is merely living on borrowed time. Just you wait for the Bing Bang before the world at large decides that American isn't worth a hoot :-) I read that OPEC countries are already thinking of using the Euro as an alternative currency to price their petroleum exports. When that happens, I hope you do not have to look for a job from a Chinese factory, if you're not already working in China :-)
"You topple belligerent dictatorships, and you topple repressive governments to give the land back to the people"??? Who decides "belligerent dictatorships and repressive governments" - America or the UN??? Please remember that the UN did not sanction the American invasion of Iraq. And America wasn't able to produce concrete evidence of "weapons of mass destruction" to the UN either. Worst still, even sections of American society now realise it's a mistake to have invaded Iraq. Tell the world the truth, that is, America is only interested in protecting a continuous supply of petroleum to its shores. So, please keep your bull---- within America.
You don't care whether Saddam Hussein was producing nukes. Well, it looks like you don't care to tell the truth either. Terrorism was largely localised within countries long before the invasion of Iraq eg. Afghanistan, Ireland, Spain, Latin American etc. It didn't even acquire an global significance until after Iraq. Muslims rightly felt enraged with the unjust invasion of Iraq on the spurious ground of "weapons of mass destruction". September 11 was the Muslim world's retaliation to American invasion of Iraq. Well, looks like you know little of history too, and not just economics.
China should be the country asking, "Do Americans want China to bring wealth and happiness to them?" It depends, and your attitude could be a starting point.
As for the happenings in Okinawa, let me put in the correct perspective. American atrocities in Okinawa has been there for years. The Japanese government actually turned a blind eye to the issue until the last couple of years when Okinawans took to the streets in large numbers. When that happens, no government can afford to ignore public opinion and it had to appear to act. I'm afraid your last comment on that point is untrue.
On polluted cities, the Chinese is morally honest to admit there's much room for improvement.  That is not to say westerners can cook up fictitious statistics like "16 of the world's 20 most polluted cities are located in China". So too with your statement " China has surpassed the US in CO2 emissions! Where did you get that from?? CNN, BBC or typical western media :-) The UN report I read was quite different from your trash.
"China wasn't involved in the Kyoto Protocol??" Please do your homework before coming to an international forum here to spew lies and untruth. It just shows how uninformed and low-down you can be. I don't intend to have anything more to do with a person like you. You don't deserve a hearing after this trashing :-)

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《专栏作家》Zhang Xin: CNN主播辱华用词分析

[ 2008-04-22 14:00 ]
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/lan ... content_6635505.htm
It was ungracious of [Cafferty] to accuse China of anything because China has been more victim than perpetrator in the so-called free trade. China did not call the shots in the beginning, not then, not now. It was not China which invested in those sweatshops. It was not the Chinese government that forces a trade deficit with American businesses – it was rather the other way around. It was American capitalists who moved businesses to China, creating those sweatshops and fattening up in the process – keeping most of the profits. To the capitalists, the sweatshops and the trade deficits are not moral or immoral, they are just good business. ......China has for the past thirty years allowed itself to be the global workshop and allowed its people to toil under harsh conditions so that Mr. Cafferty and other Americans can have a cheaper shirt to wear to the office.

这话只说对了一半。资本家(无论中外)的本性,就是要不择手段追求自己最大的利润,这是稍微学过一点“政治经济学”的人都懂的“真理”了吧?他们为什么愿意投资在中国设立那些血汗工厂呢?因为西方国家政府不让他们那么赤裸裸地剥削那里的工人。那么,是谁允许他们在神州大地如此肆无忌惮地为所欲为呢?
China has bought American Treasury bonds to keep the United States going.

中国(政府)把巨额外汇储备储存在美国,原来是为了支援美(帝)国(主义)让它苟延残喘?这是什么精神?这是伟大的无产阶级国际主义精神!


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谁更习惯于造谣?

法新路透美联搜索引擎屏蔽反藏独信息
http://www.sina.com.cn 2008年04月22日10:00 千龙网

千龙网4月22日讯 (记者 于振华) 4月14日至4月16日,千龙网记者连续三
天两访法新社驻北京记者站、三访路透社驻北京记者站、两访美联社驻北京
记者站,为了搞清楚这三大通讯社是否客观公正地报道发生在西藏的打砸抢
烧事件,奥运火炬传递、尤其是藏独分子如何破坏火炬传递的,但均遭拒绝,
“你可以自己上网去查看”也成了这世界三大通讯社留给千龙网记者共同的
答复。

为此,千龙网记者通过路透社、法新社、美联社的搜索引擎,发现这三
大西方媒体宏观发稿数量的对比结果非常悬殊,西方媒体刻意放大了“藏独”
的声音,弱化、甚至屏蔽中国民众和海外华人支持北京奥运会、抗议达赖喇
嘛搞分裂、搞破坏的声音,形成舆论朝着“藏独”一边倒的状态,这种“有
选择性”的报道方式,既是为了美化达赖喇嘛“非暴力”的“精神领袖”形
象,以达到不可告人的目的,又是为了防止媒体自打嘴巴。

“黑色4月7日”法国巴黎彻底“沦陷”

4月19日, 千龙网记者先上路透社中文网, 用该网的新闻搜索引擎,以
“抢夺奥运火炬”为关键词进行搜索,页面上出现的“查询结果”显示“没
有找到符合‘抢夺奥运火炬’的信息,请修改查询条件后重试”;而以“藏
独”、“打砸抢烧”等热门关键词进行搜索,居然出现“该页面无法显示”。

为了扩大调查范围,4月19日、20日、21日,千龙网记者分别多次在法新
社、 美联社以及路透社英文网站上借助其网站的搜索引擎, 先后以
“Olympic torch”(奥运火炬)、“Tibet”(西藏)、“dalai lama”(达赖喇嘛)等为
关键词,搜索并浏览其一个多月以来刊发的大约3100幅新闻图片后,惊奇地
发现,在奥运火炬传递现场,几乎看不到支持北京奥运的当地华人、华侨热
情洋溢的表情和他们手中挥舞的五星红旗,更难寻那些热爱奥运的外国朋友
的身影。

在这3100幅图片中,法新社、美联社和路透社的记者们将镜头大多都对
准了支持达赖喇嘛的“藏独” 分子抗议中国、 诋毁北京奥运会的阵容,而
“藏独”分子也非常配合西方媒体记者们表演“双簧”,他们利用声势浩大
的北京奥运火炬传递活动以各种怪异行为“露脸”争夺世界公众的眼球。

以法新社、美联社和路透社对巴黎的北京奥运火炬传递的新闻图片报道
为例,4月21日,千龙网记者登陆路透社英文网站,用“Olympic torch”(奥运
火炬)为关键词搜索发现,4月7日当天,路透社大约发表50幅新闻图片,其中,
表现“藏独”分子各种反对中国、诋毁北京奥运的图片就占 37幅,而对支持
中国、支持北京奥运的热情观众的新闻图片却没有一张。

在法新社的网站上,千龙网记者以“Olympic torch”(奥运火炬)为关键词,
并将时间限定在4月7日,地点范围设为法国,点击搜索键一共搜索到143张新
闻图片,分12页显示。其中,有关“藏独”分子游行、抗议以及冲击奥运火
炬传递队伍与警察发生冲突的新闻图片共有95张,另有4张新闻图片是表现支
持北京奥运、支持中国的人对“藏独”分子的抗议,而为北京奥运火炬欢呼、
为中国加油的新闻图片,仍然没有一张。

而在美联社的网站上,为北京奥运火炬欢呼、为中国加油的新闻图片能
否实现“零突破”呢?当千龙网记者输入关键词“Olympic torch”(奥运火炬),
设定2008年4月7日为搜索范围,结果,在搜索出的186张新闻图片中,有96张
仍然是“藏独”分子各种诋毁奥运、反对中国的怪异面孔与行为,而支持中
国、支持奥运的声音再次为零——巴黎彻底“沦陷”。

宁可失去媒体操守不可丑化达赖

众所周知,奥林匹克圣火是奥林匹克精神的最高象征,它传播着“和平、
友谊、进步”的理念,而面对“藏独”分子破坏奥运火炬传递、亵渎奥运精
神的大是大非,法新社、美联社和路透社这世界三大通讯社为何宁可抛弃自
己一直鼓吹与倡导的新闻“公正客观”于不顾、而如此“大肚能容”呢?日
前,千龙网记者多次在这世界三大通讯社的英文网站上试图寻找他们的“难
言之隐”。

4月19日,千龙网记者进入路透社英文网站时,在该网站的搜索引擎上输
入“dalai lama”(达赖喇嘛),即能搜索出744条有关达赖喇嘛在世界各种场合
发表的“藏独”言行的文字报道,而再用图片搜索引擎搜索一下,能搜出21
张达赖喇嘛相关的新闻图片。但是,令人意外的是,4月21日,千龙网记者再
度进入路透社英文网站,再用图片搜索引擎搜索一下,却一下子能搜出556幅
与达赖喇嘛相关图片新闻,其中还有署名为“REUTERS/Jim Young”采写拍摄
的美国总统布什接见达赖喇嘛的图片新闻。

千龙网记者仔细翻看这些报道,做了一个数据对比来证明路透社英文网
站的报道是相对“客观公正”的。这556幅新闻图片,实际上只是显示409 幅。
其中,以达赖喇嘛出访、社交、宗教活动等和支持达赖的“藏独”分子“和
平”请愿为主题、肆意美化达赖喇嘛为“Tibet's exiled spiritual leader”(“西藏
流放精神领袖”——千龙网记者译注)的新闻图片共计354幅,占总数的86.55
%,而以达赖集团在西藏打砸抢烧为主题的新闻图片 13幅,仅占总数的3.17
%。如此之大的比例落差,那么这种报道的“客观公正”又有多大的公信力
呢?

4月19日,登陆美联社网站图片站,同样以“dalai lama”(达赖喇嘛)为关
键词,搜索过去30天内的新闻图片,结果搜索476条与达赖喇嘛相关的新闻图
片,内容“大而全”,既有达赖喇嘛的在美国的访问及相关社交活动,其中
也有不少美国政界的重量级人物,又有“藏独”分子以“和平”集会的方式
发表抗议言行,另外,还有大量“藏独”分子利用奥运火炬传递活动“露脸”
的报道,而唯独少了中国民众抗议达赖喇嘛及“藏独”分子恶劣行径的声音
和中国政府的严正立场。

同一天(4月19日)下午,千龙网记者进入法新社网站用“dalai lama”(达赖
喇嘛)搜索过去30天内的新闻图片,能搜索出483张图片,全部内容也可与路
透社英文网站和美联社相“媲美”,不仅有达赖喇嘛的各种访问和演讲活动、
“藏独”分子和平请愿的新闻图片,还有“藏独”分子抵制北京奥运会、丑
化中国的新闻图片。但是,千龙网记者在搜索中发现,法新社和路透社、美
联社,其实并不处在同一个“层次”上的。因为和路透社相比,法新社没有
一张表现达赖集团打砸抢烧杀的新闻图片;而和美联社相比,法新社又没有
一张以“火炬、火炬手、藏独分子抢夺”三要素为“新闻标准”的袭击奥运
火炬手、抢夺北京奥运圣火的新闻图片。

“后台老板”要利用达赖老头遏制中国

从大量的跟踪报道达赖喇嘛的各种社交活动和他的“粉丝”们接连不断
的“和平请愿”活动来看,千龙网记者不难看出,路透社、法新社、美联社
等西方媒体在美化达赖喇嘛这位在西方一些政客眼里看来的“精神领袖”的
问题上,达成了某种心照不宣的“默契”,而恰恰达赖喇嘛按耐不住多年的
“寂寞”,不但在西藏采取打、砸、抢、烧、杀的暴力行为,而且在北京奥
运火炬全球传递过程中制造种种事端亵渎奥运精神,让西方三大媒体不敢将
镜头面对这个客观事实。

因为在千龙网记者看来,路透社、法新社、美联社等西方媒体一旦面对
这些客观事实公正客观地报道,一方面会将达赖喇嘛“慈眉善目”背后阴险
毒辣的真面目昭示于天下,那么某些西方政客眼里的所谓“精神领袖”的头
衔也将真正地从达赖喇嘛身上彻底“流亡”,“藏独”、“人权”的借口也
将失去繁衍的土壤;另一方面,路透社、法新社、美联社等西方媒体长期以
来对达赖喇嘛的竭力美化行为就会功亏一篑,也无异于自打嘴巴,这一点也
是可以通过世界三大通讯社自己的搜索引擎来证明的,比如仅仅最近一年有
关达赖喇嘛的新闻图片报道,美联社就能搜出3616幅,平均每天大约播发10
幅新闻图片;法新社能搜出4732幅,平均每天要播发12.9幅新闻图片。

近年来,达赖喇嘛在世界三大通讯社的高出镜率,恐怕连美国总统布什
都有点“汗颜”。作为世界三大通讯社,路透社、法新社、美联社又不敢轻
易像美国CNN、德国N-TV、法国TF1那样都沦落成“穷裁缝”——脱掉“裤
子”做“衣服”,公然或以偏概全、或移花接木、或张冠李戴、或恶毒攻击。
于是,西方三大媒体不得不以不报道或少报道的“西藏事件”真相和“藏独”
分子抢夺奥运火炬的方式,来尽量减少对“精神领袖”的负面影响,便于维
护达赖喇嘛的宗教领袖形象,继续让其在世界各地打着“流亡政府”的幌子
四处乞讨粮款来对抗和牵制中国,搞分裂、搞破坏,以达到分裂中国的目的。

实质上,从4月7日巴黎市政厅大厦上挂上了支持“藏独”、抵制奥运的
标语和法国人在奥运圣火到达前5分钟突然挂出“藏独”旗帜,以及大量的
法国警察也在“藏独”示威者的进攻下“节节后退”,直到法新社、路透社、
美联社世界三大通讯社同步联手“作战”,完全扼杀正义的声音,让庄严神
圣的奥运火炬传递活动,变成一场“藏独”分子纯粹反对中国的“嘉年华”,
足已说明此次“巴黎沦陷”绝非偶然,而是其背后西方政客撑腰的结果。

由此可鉴,路透社、法新社、美联社这世界三大通讯社这种“有选择性”
的报道方式,远比美国CNN骂几句“中国人是匪徒”、德国N-TV说“西藏冲
突升级”以及法国TF1的“自我全面精神胜利法”更有“深谋远虑”,更有
“战略意义”和“可安全操作性”。但是,在西方某些政客的眼里,这位达
赖喇嘛是个“不太听话”又不聪明的家伙,蛊惑“粉丝”们杀人放火,连造
谣都还不能自圆其说,这让西方某些政客深感“怒其不争”,也让路透社、
法新社、美联社这世界三大通讯社自感“烂泥扶不上墙”,因而也成了他们
拒绝接受采访的“难言之隐”。

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