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Post time 2007-6-19 20:38:08 |Display all floors
Originally posted by zglobal at 19-6-2007 05:13
After that it's up to every human being to lift themselves up. If they choose a poor life then that's their choice.


It's very easy saying that, but I doubt very much you had to lift yourself from nothing.

People get stuck in poverty for many reasons. For example, if your parents can't afford a decent education for you and the level you receive is sub-standard then your options are very limited. You will never earn enough money to educate yourself to a higher level and your children will be similarly limited in what they can do.

If you also cannot afford sufficient medical care, you will be further hamstrung by poor health.

I believe that basic health care should be provided for all.


Except that is not the case - you have to pay for everything in China.

There’s too many leeches in the west that are spoiled and babied by society.


There are many leeches around the world, both inside and outside China. But not just those who exist on state-benefits, there are also those who benefit from their parents income and get a free ride. They get free education at better schools, a better lifestyle, free university education, connections to jobs, deposits on houses/free flats, etc.

If people should get ahead through their own graft as you believe, parents should be banned from paying for their children's education and everyone should go to the same schools. Entry should be on personal ability alone, with the same fees charged across the board. Inheritances should be banned and all assets given over to the state upon death - or donated to charity, but anything other than given to relations, etc.

Of course I doubt very much you support that, but it would be the only way to get people to make their own way through society. Otherwise you are in favour of a permanent class system, where those at the top are able to keep those at the bottom down and few are able to move up the ladder. You also reject the Socialist principles that the Chinese government still officially aspires to.
"People are the water, the ruler is the boat; water can carry the boat, but it can also capsize it."

-- Li Shimin (2nd Tang Emperor, "Taizong")

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Post time 2007-6-19 20:41:41 |Display all floors
Originally posted by zglobal at 19-6-2007 05:13
After that it's up to every human being to lift themselves up. If they choose a poor life then that's their choice.


It's very easy saying that, but I doubt very much you had to lift yourself from nothing.

People get stuck in poverty for many reasons. For example, if your parents can't afford a decent education for you and the level you receive is sub-standard then your options are very limited. You will never earn enough money to educate yourself to a higher level and your children will be similarly limited in what they can do.

If you also cannot afford sufficient medical care, you will be further hamstrung by poor health.

I believe that basic health care should be provided for all.


Except that is not the case - you have to pay for everything in China.

There’s too many leeches in the west that are spoiled and babied by society.


There are many leeches around the world, both inside and outside China. But not just those who exist on state-benefits, there are also those who benefit from their parents income and get a free ride. They get free education at better schools, a better lifestyle, free university education, connections to jobs, deposits on houses/free flats, etc.

If people should get ahead through their own graft as you believe, parents should be banned from paying for their children's education and everyone should go to the same schools. Entry should be on personal ability alone, with the same fees charged across the board. Inheritances should be banned and all assets given over to the state upon death - or donated to charity, but anything other than given to relations, etc.

Of course I doubt very much you support that, but it would be the only way to get people to make their own way through society. Otherwise you are in favour of a permanent class system, where those at the top are able to keep those at the bottom down and few are able to move up the ladder. You also reject the Socialist principles that the Chinese government still officially aspires to.
"People are the water, the ruler is the boat; water can carry the boat, but it can also capsize it."

-- Li Shimin (2nd Tang Emperor, "Taizong")

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Post time 2007-6-19 20:42:47 |Display all floors
Originally posted by zglobal at 19-6-2007 05:13
After that it's up to every human being to lift themselves up. If they choose a poor life then that's their choice.


It's very easy saying that, but I doubt very much you had to lift yourself from nothing.

People get stuck in poverty for many reasons. For example, if your parents can't afford a decent education for you and the level you receive is sub-standard then your options are very limited. You will never earn enough money to educate yourself to a higher level and your children will be similarly limited in what they can do.

If you also cannot afford sufficient medical care, you will be further hamstrung by poor health.

I believe that basic health care should be provided for all.


Except that is not the case - you have to pay for everything in China.

There’s too many leeches in the west that are spoiled and babied by society.


There are many leeches around the world, both inside and outside China. But not just those who exist on state-benefits, there are also those who benefit from their parents income and get a free ride. They get free education at better schools, a better lifestyle, free university education, connections to jobs, deposits on houses/free flats, etc.
"People are the water, the ruler is the boat; water can carry the boat, but it can also capsize it."

-- Li Shimin (2nd Tang Emperor, "Taizong")

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Post time 2007-6-19 20:43:20 |Display all floors
Originally posted by zglobal at 19-6-2007 05:13
After that it's up to every human being to lift themselves up. If they choose a poor life then that's their choice.


It's very easy saying that, but I doubt very much you had to lift yourself from nothing.

People get stuck in poverty for many reasons. For example, if your parents can't afford a decent education for you and the level you receive is sub-standard then your options are very limited. You will never earn enough money to educate yourself to a higher level and your children will be similarly limited in what they can do.

If you also cannot afford sufficient medical care, you will be further hamstrung by poor health.

I believe that basic health care should be provided for all.


Except that is not the case - you have to pay for everything in China.

There are many leeches around the world, both inside and outside China. But not just those who exist on state-benefits, there are also those who benefit from their parents income and get a free ride. They get free education at better schools, a better lifestyle, free university education, connections to jobs, deposits on houses/free flats, etc.

If people should get ahead through their own graft as you believe, parents should be banned from paying for their children's education and everyone should go to the same schools. Entry should be on personal ability alone, with the same fees charged across the board. Inheritances should be banned and all assets given over to the state upon death - or donated to charity, but anything other than given to relations, etc.

Of course I doubt very much you support that, but it would be the only way to get people to make their own way through society. Otherwise you are in favour of a permanent class system, where those at the top are able to keep those at the bottom down and few are able to move up the ladder. You also reject the Socialist principles that the Chinese government still officially aspires to.

[ Last edited by mencius at 2007-6-19 12:48 PM ]
"People are the water, the ruler is the boat; water can carry the boat, but it can also capsize it."

-- Li Shimin (2nd Tang Emperor, "Taizong")

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Post time 2007-6-19 20:51:25 |Display all floors
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Post time 2007-6-19 20:55:15 |Display all floors
Originally posted by zglobal at 19-6-2007 12:51
I left school and home when I was fifteen, lived on the streets for two years, picked myself up and started my first business at 25.


The reality is that although some people do that, not everyone can. If you really did do that, you've obviously let it poison your attitude towards others who are not fortunate with the stereotypical view you have. When you do well, it's very easy to believe everyone else can if they only try. Others are never presented with the opportunity to try that, or slave away only to find they make little or no real progress because of the way things work.

No one is suggesting people get a free ride, but helping less fortunate members of society better themselves is a good way to both lift people out of poverty and improve the country more generally.

[ Last edited by mencius at 2007-6-19 01:03 PM ]
"People are the water, the ruler is the boat; water can carry the boat, but it can also capsize it."

-- Li Shimin (2nd Tang Emperor, "Taizong")

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