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Post time 2007-3-16 05:23:44 |Display all floors
Since the Americans sent the first prisoners of their Afghanistan war to Guantanamo in 2002, hundreds of people have been held there under inhumane conditions. For years people from all over the world have protested against the acts of their 'ally', but the camp is still there.. At this moment prisoners are being tortured there.. Later generations will be ashamed of it, they will wonder how the people of the United States could let this happen.

If you want to know what it's like in the Guantanamo prison camp, watch the film / documentary "The road to Guantanamo". (although in reality it's even worse, they torture people by letting them drown and saving them at the last moment, doing it over and over again..)

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Post time 2007-3-16 06:09:44 |Display all floors
Originally posted by pendragon at 2007-3-16 05:23
Later generations will be ashamed of it, they will wonder how the people of the United States could let this happen.


Because they lack basic intelligence and has no morals.

"Later generations will be ashamed of it" for eternity! In the past they got away with it but now everyone knows about it!

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Post time 2007-3-16 08:37:32 |Display all floors

Torture as a hobby.

Guantanamo will be forever etched into the  mindset of the world as the pinnacle of hypocrisy. While the US is ostensibly delivering the goodies of " liberty, freedom and democracy " to the world, whether you like it or not , they are simultameously stomping on the very principles and convictions.  Other brutal regimes  like the Stalinisque dictatorship, the Pol Pot and his killing fields and Pinochet and his " disapperance " act may have equal it, no one has surpassed G"mo.

Let us not forget that at least a dozen other shady , secretive and sinister countries are in this " Coalition of the Cruel " as well. The Middle Eastern and European countries who have actively supported and participated in that latest contribution to the world ; the RENDITION. Torture by another name. Secret rendezvous , private jets soaring to mysterious and exotic destinations : making James Bond looking like a low budget wannabe.

With the high tech torture routines of water-boarding and sensory deprevations,. this art form has taken on new dimensions and effectiveness. Good old Rumsfeld must be having a laugh over his cognac at his retirement village.  

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Post time 2007-3-17 02:54:00 |Display all floors
Originally posted by mengzhi at 2007-3-16 08:37
Guantanamo will be forever etched into the  mindset of the world as the pinnacle of hypocrisy. While the US is ostensibly delivering the goodies of " liberty, freedom and democracy " to t ...


A lot of this torture was carried out by Bush's Shadow Army, the private security forces such as Blackwater USA.

The often overlooked subplot of the wars of the post-9/11 period is their unprecedented scale of outsourcing and privatization. From the moment the US troop buildup began in advance of the invasion of Iraq, the Pentagon made private contractors an integral part of the operations. Even as the government gave the public appearance of attempting diplomacy, Halliburton was prepping for a massive operation. When US tanks rolled into Baghdad in March 2003, they brought with them the largest army of private contractors ever deployed in modern war. By the end of Rumsfeld's tenure in late 2006, there were an estimated 100,000 private contractors on the ground in Iraq--an almost one-to-one ratio with active-duty American soldiers.

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Despite the presence of more than 100,000 private contractors on the ground in Iraq, only one has been indicted for crimes or violations. "We have over 200,000 troops in Iraq and half of them aren't being counted, and the danger is that there's zero accountability," says Democrat Dennis Kucinich, one of the leading Congressional critics of war contracting.

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Occupying the hot seat through these deliberations is the shadowy mercenary company Blackwater USA. Unbeknownst to many Americans and largely off the Congressional radar, Blackwater has secured a position of remarkable power and protection within the US war apparatus.

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"Private contractors like Blackwater work outside the scope of the military's chain of command and can literally do whatever they please without any liability or accountability from the US government,"

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Indeed, contractor deaths are not counted in the total US death count, and their crimes and violations go undocumented and unpunished, further masking the true costs of the war. "When you're bringing in contractors whom the law doesn't apply to, the Geneva Conventions, common notions of morality, everything's thrown out the window," says Kucinich. "And what it means is that these private contractors are really an arm of the Administration and its policies."

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Post time 2007-3-18 12:25:13 |Display all floors

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You compare guantanamo with stalin's gulags and pol pot ? aren't we overdoing it a bit here . The prisoners are fed well are provided the quaron and can exercise and play sports . The red cross has a post stationed right next to it ! Americas interrogation techniques are something that stalin, pol pot, and saddam hussein would consider laughable . A prisoner in north Korea would give his right leg to swap places with someone in guantanamo.

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Post time 2007-3-18 13:04:42 |Display all floors

# 5: Just finished watching Panorama ...

Originally posted by frothow at 2007-3-18 12:25
You compare guantanamo with stalin's gulags and pol pot ? aren't we overdoing it a bit here . The prisoners are fed well are provided the quaron and can exercise and play sports . The red cross has ...


Just finished watching Panorama ...

It's unbelievable what happened.

All rules were broken including the Geneva Convention's humane treatment of prisoners-of war.  Yet, they (the victims) weren't even prisoners-of-war.  They were civilians who happened to be also hotel workers.  They were covered over the head with sand bags, hands tied together (and the soliders made sure not once but twice and three times their hands were firmly tied together and would not move or resist any beatings), kicked-boxed, hit by metal rods, forced to squat motioinless in a certain postion with raised hands and were even forced to "entertain" the British soldiers (torturers) with "music" forced out of groans, cries and screams from every kick they were given by the soldiers in thick boots and fed with red meat.  Not only that, the tortures were carried out in shift; as one batch of the soldiers finished their shift duty, the next batch came to continue.

One victim died with 95 wounds inflicted on his body, which of course, will  cause death.

Of course, that's considered "war crimes" and were the soliders court-marshalled for what they did?  Well, of course! One of them but not very high-ranking.

Well, Guantanamo Bay is still a secret prison to many of us.  We wouldn't know if it is any worse than stalin's, pol pot's and saddam hussein's until the prison-owners or the torturers are more open and transparent with their treatment of the prisoners, would we?



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Post time 2007-3-18 19:58:10 |Display all floors
Originally posted by frothow at 2007-3-18 12:25
You compare guantanamo with stalin's gulags and pol pot ? aren't we overdoing it a bit here . The prisoners are fed well are provided the quaron and can exercise and play sports . The red cross has a post stationed right next to it ! Americas interrogation techniques are something that stalin, pol pot, and saddam hussein would consider laughable . A prisoner in north Korea would give his right leg to swap places with someone in guantanamo.

I guess the Gulags were of a different scale, but compare Guantanamo with a later Soviet-Union practise: locking up political prisoners in institutions for mentally disabled persons (in the 1970s and 1980s). They were held there secretly and without trials, constantly being subjected to painful and mind-numbing treatment by arrogant guards, to break their spirit so the political dissidents would eventually accept or even start to believe in whatever the interrogators told them. In those days the United States would call this horrible and inhumane, but now they're doing almost exactly the same thing. Guantanamo is probably even slightly worse, as things like waterboarding are being used.

About prisoners getting exercise and sport, well not accoding to the film 'The road to Guantanamo'. Former prisoners describe that they had "5 minutes of exercise every week", while they were often kept in small open cages for the rest of the time. Often they weren't allowed to speak to anyone, and had to lie down or stand in the same position for hours.

Originally posted by immouse at 2007-3-18 13:04
Well, Guantanamo Bay is still a secret prison to many of us.  We wouldn't know if it is any worse than stalin's, pol pot's and saddam hussein's until the prison-owners or the torturers are more open and transparent with their treatment of the prisoners, would we?

Good point. And besides Guantanamo the United States also have even more secret camps of which almost nothing is known (prisoners in those camps have "disappeared", again a clear comparison with the Soviet Union). These "CIA camps" are said to be in countries that approve of torture, so the United States can treat prisoners even more brutally there.

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