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Post time 2006-10-16 12:17:21 |Display all floors
Originally posted by emucentral at 2006-10-15 18:03
Hi again Northwest,
I do take issue with the suggestion of your post.
Firstly let me say that I am not a fan of the US republican party, right wing groups or that speculative currency thief, George Soros.
Now as to your suggestion of "soft coups", well I think that is off the mark.
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This kind of issue attract little attention in general western media. Financing fake NGOs for regime changes is a cheaper means rather than all out military presence.

All political parties (including in single party states) do use public relations techniques to attract the support and interest of the public. China is no different and I am sure there are campaigns in China for the people to follow the wise advice of the CCP.
To evoke a negative connotation on the "colour revolution" political parties and their publicity campaigns demands a similar condemnation of other political parties who engage in public relations.


No, it's not. Negative campaigning is common in this world's every election process. But to attract foreign funding and organizations that serve foreign interest is unacceptable.
Don't you see that those what so called "democracy preacher" or I should say democracy manipulator are not NGOs at all, it's direct/ indirectly controlled by the nastiest of US establishment. NED, VOA and those plotters' existence even defying US domestic law. But they operate and exist outside US soil. How do you think if PLA contribute campaign funds to one of the party candidate in the US, for the sake of "China-US friendship", they will cry about "communist infiltration" etc etc.

Now as to the "pro western" allegations, well I think that a case can be made that the people of Ukraine and various former soviet republics are making up their own minds. Possibly this is a backlash against the 60 years of rule by (at various times) a very oppressive government out of Moscow.


It's possible that pro-Russia candidate made it worse than pro-west candidate. But still it doesn't justify democracy manipulator to meddle and directly intefere into the campaign. If they like to see a fair campaigning, they may just invite renowned-respected election watcher, just like European parliament.

I really don't think that the peoples of those former soviet republics are that easy to brainwash.
Naturally the USA and other western countries would welcome governments which are a bit more open to trade with the western countries, and I think most of all the Americans would welcome a similar relationship with Moscow. It doesn't mean that these countries give up any of their independence, identity or cultural practices. It just means they move further away from the old cold war mentality.


Yes, they have to terminate cold war institutions and mentally ready for a new economically globalized world.

If the US really concerned about democracy, maybe he should oust, Saudi Arabia monarchy first. The 2 reasons those nasty democracy manipulators are so interested in central Asia: geopolitical presence to weaken Russia's influence and tapping vast, untapped oil/ gas resources.
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Post time 2006-10-16 12:36:07 |Display all floors
i v recently come to the conclusion that it is simply not very chinese to vote, and having to think about who u r going to vote for and why.  are back to the jungle?

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Post time 2006-10-18 23:18:06 |Display all floors
Originally posted by joeching at 2006-10-16 14:36
i v recently come to the conclusion that it is simply not very chinese to vote, and having to think about who u r going to vote for and why.  are back to the jungle?



Um, the ethnic Chinese citizens of Australia don't seem to have a problem about the idea of voting.
Here our Australians of Chinese heritage stand as candidates in elections and also vote for candidates of their choice. It's not done as an ethnic voting bloc, but purely on the basis of political values.

Our Lord Mayor of Melbourne is Hong Kong born and he was popularly elected by Anglo, Vietnamese, Chinese, Somali, Egyptian, Greek and Italian Australians.

Strange though that Chinese people can promote their individual political values and freely stand as political candidates and freely vote for whoever they like, in Australia, Britain, Canada, USA, Holland, Italy etc etc, but they are limited in what they can do in China!!!!!

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Post time 2006-10-19 00:36:17 |Display all floors

Reply #9 -- joeching's post...

Are you implying that not all of the Chinese are intelligent enough to make a good choice?  Or perhaps you are fearful that they will be able to discern the truth and actually make the correct choice?  Those denying others a voice in determining their own future are usually the group currently in charge who do not wish to lose their current power base and the resulting perks or wealth that accompanies their position.  The welfare and benefits to the common people/citizens are the least of their concerns.

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Post time 2006-10-19 10:27:53 |Display all floors
Originally posted by emucentral at 2006-10-18 23:18



Um, the ethnic Chinese citizens of Australia don't seem to have a problem about the idea of voting.
Here our Australians of Chinese heritage stand as candidates in elections and also vote fo ...

everything u said is very reasonable, except for the fact that u r talking about a predatory society that the non-westernized chinese are not very familiar with and would wanted to repel if they realized the sacrifice they have to make, such as harmony and desfunctioning family structures.

actually, all we are talking about is getting good people to lead and serve the country.  why do we let the mass decide, rather than the people with greatest integrity, knowledgeable and qualification.  china has long established such a system.  the communists have even remove the security-blanket type of figure head, the emperor, from the top.  u democratists should learn from it, rather than continue suffer under the manipulation of the politicians.

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Post time 2006-10-19 10:50:59 |Display all floors
Originally posted by nosferatu at 2006-10-19 00:36
Are you implying that not all of the Chinese are intelligent enough to make a good choice?

yes, when it comes to matter of national, or international, importance.  for example, 90% of chinese want to revenge japan.  85% want to take taiwan today.
75% want to go back to communism of materials.  a majority would want to get rid of the 1-child policy.  now, can u see what a incredible balance act the present chinese leaders are performing.

Or perhaps you are fearful that they will be able to discern the truth and actually make the correct choice?

u mean like america's iraq war, and israel's recent invasion of lebanon?

  Those denying others a voice in determining their own future are usually the group currently in charge who do not wish to lose their current power base and the resulting perks or wealth that accompanies their position.

yes! money and politics should never mix.  so 90 percent of all democratically selected leaders should be thrown out, starting with the 2 clowns, bush and chen----bean of taiwan.
look what china did to the shanghai mayor, and thailand did to the billionaire prime minister.  that's the asian way.

  The welfare and benefits to the common people/citizens are the least of their concerns.

r u talking about china or america, taiwan or the rest of the pitiful citizens of democratic countries.

the only thing good leaders should have on their mind is the welfare and benefits of the people, this include not letting them indulging too much in their self interests, much like parents do toward kids.  and the most important thing in getting good leaders is to have a good training program -- not to get votes, but to serve the people.

in time of war, it IS important to empower the people, otherwise howelse u ever going to convince them to die for the country.  that's why democracy is great for winning wars.

but in peace times, people should be left to raise families.  the most important thing for today's predatory, capitalistic society, is to guard against the rich and powerful from exploit the mass.  we must not have democracy, which gives rise to politicians, who would do exactly that!

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Post time 2006-10-19 12:22:26 |Display all floors
Originally posted by emucentral at 2006-10-18 23:18

Um, the ethnic Chinese citizens of Australia don't seem to have a problem about the idea of voting.
Here our Australians of Chinese heritage stand as candidates in elections and also vote for candidates of their choice. It's not done as an ethnic voting bloc, but purely on the basis of political values.
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Here come the disagreement. As I noted... how long you have to overcome to reach current "mature" stage? Which social stages you have to experienced before solving all those limitations?

Strange though that Chinese people can promote their individual political values and freely stand as political candidates and freely vote for whoever they like, in Australia, Britain, Canada, USA, Holland, Italy etc etc, but they are limited in what they can do in China!!!!!


We have fine example, the joke democracy in Taiwan, a fully Chinese society. They have the what so called "free election" and what they have today? Continuous lying, squabble over who corrupt most, deteriorating economy, bankrupt judiciary and not enough system to prevent that 2 magic bullets happening. When will all these democracy joke will end?
Since you live in a "mature" democratic society, maybe you could enlighten us on how to develop a decent democracy. You're concern about China don't you? Present us a constructive suggestion instead of scolding. Please point us direction, from your position of "higher" moral authority.
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