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Post time 2006-7-5 17:30:27 |Display all floors
Originally posted by tongluren at 2006-6-23 08:57
It is certainly easier for the Chinese to "make it" in the U.S., Europe and Austrialia, since the locals are so much lazier and don't want to study. ...


Tong,
There is a way to stop this "brain drain" (or whatever else you want to call it), and that is for other countries to limit the ability for Chinese to migrate to those countries.
Now before you get on your high horse, don't think I am supporting this idea.
No, to implement a policy such as "racial conformity" would be prejudicial against Chinese in many countries, as well as non-Chinese people who wished to work in China.

This "racial conformity" idea was actually suggested by a China Daily moderator!!!

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Originally posted by chinadaily at 2006-7-5 13:14
liangzai, only capitalism is not enough

Free-wheeling capitalism, which inspires private enterpreneurship and wealth build-up, is a necessity to boost a poor country's economy from scratch.  However, only capitalism is not enough.

You need social stability, racial conformity (my emphasis), public security, to guarantee a smooth evolving of capitalism;
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I will let you berate him for the racism you so despise.

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Post time 2006-7-6 17:21:42 |Display all floors
Ahh, so that's what the thousands of corrupt officials are doing. It's for the "collective" benefit!!
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You name a developing country which is corruption free.  If compare with countries in SE Asia, Africa, South America, the corruption in China is not even worth to be mentioned.  Do not forget flight corruption is now a national consensus, you tell me which democratic developing country is able to do that ?

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Post time 2006-7-6 17:26:15 |Display all floors
There is a way to stop this "brain drain" (or whatever else you want to call it), and that is for other countries to limit the ability for Chinese to migrate to those countries.
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When their motherland becomes rich, the brain drain will reverse. It happended in Taiwan which was the reson of their development in electronic industry, it is happening in China and India. The only attractive thing of the richer countries is only  the money.

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Post time 2006-7-6 21:42:13 |Display all floors
Originally posted by baersworth at 2006-7-6 19:21
You name a developing country which is corruption free.  If compare with countries in SE Asia, Africa, South America, the corruption in China is not even worth to be mentioned.   ...


Corruption has been extensively covered in various discussions, referencing the international "transparency" ratings.

China does not score well, with some other "developing" countries scoring better than China.

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Post time 2006-7-8 02:43:27 |Display all floors
Originally posted by emucentral at 2006-7-6 21:42


Corruption has been extensively covered in various discussions, referencing the international "transparency" ratings.

China does not score well, with some other "developing&qu ...


Which developing countries score better than China in democracy?
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Post time 2006-7-8 07:43:49 |Display all floors
Originally posted by eye2eye at 2006-7-8 04:43


Which developing countries score better than China in democracy?


The countries listed below are "developing" at various levels, eg Malaysia and Thailand are more advanced than some of the others. The number to the left is their ranking on the scale of least corrupt to more corrupt, lower number is better. The number to the right of the country name is the "transparency" score (or honesty value), higher number is better.

All the developing countries below have more democratic governments than China.
India has more corruption, but also more democracy, than China.

32. Botswana  5.9
39. Malaysia  5.1
43. Tunisia  4.9
47  Namibia  4.3
51  El Salvador  4.2
51  Mauritius  4.2
55 Fiji  4.0
55 Seychelles  4.0
59 Thailand  3.8
59  Trinidad and Tobago  3.8
65. Ghana  3.5
70. Burkina Faso  3.4
78. China  3.2
88 India  2.9


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Post time 2006-7-8 08:03:19 |Display all floors

How Does "Democracy" Count as a Credit?

Democracy is not an achievement or goal by itself.  It is just a procedure for choosing leaders.  All governments are still ran by elites.  

Western countries are reported as less corrupt merely as part of propaganda.  Instead of reporting truthfully, they legalize what would be illegal payoffs, and call it "campaign contribution."  Note that often there is no requirement at all that the contributions be used for the campaigns, and it is common practice to use them on houses, flashy cars, $2,000 suits, etc.  And if you think the corporate donors who give millions are not getting their money's worth 1,000 times over, I've got a bridge to sell you.

How corrupt are these Western system?  Well, the Brits have their peerage sales.  But it is easier to find materials on the Americans, of course, because of the unsurpassed magnitude of an entire corrupt organization, rotten to the core, which is "democracy."

1. America does not have a democracy. It has a two party republic system, in which BOTH PARTIES have candidates picked ONLY by the elites.

2. Who are the elites? America is controlled and ran through institutions. There are governmental entities, the courts, think tanks, corporations, charitable organizations, churches, etc. Almost all of the key positions in this hierarchy are held or selected by the elites, who are racially white, middle age or older, Judeo Christian, and upper or upper middle class.  Collectively, the elites do not give a hoot about whether the common man gets a job or not.

3. By virtue of their control of the key positions, the elite and their children garner exaggerated advantages in American life, to the exclusion of the plebeians. The elite largely share the same values, belong to the same clubs and social circles, and are interested in preserving their collective advantages. One key method is through the control of the government.

4. They control the government through controlling the elections. Elected officials are only a small fraction of the Federal and State governments. But invariably the key positions in the bureaucracies are appointed or approved by the pols (either the president or the various Congressional committees). Therefore by leverage, the elites control all levels of government.

5. Moreover, the iron triangle (elected pols, bureaucrats, and industry/special interests) and the revolving door policy (in which the folks in the 3 segments jump to the other segment, with the payoff being that every time one of them goes into industry, he gets a HUGE income jump - often in the millions), ensure that there is full-on collusion 365 days of the year. The elites thus control not only formulation, but also legislation, and promulgation of regulations, and enforcement of the laws and regulations. Since few would be crazy enough to bite the hands that feed, enforcement against industry is more often than no token in nature - can't let that jeopardize the big payoff when you get back into industry. The latest example is the head of the energy dept.? I think Exxon hired him on a fat contract literally days after his resignation (no doubt prearranged).

6. How corrupt is this system? Everyone is on the take. Schwarzenegger is only the obvious example. Then you have the really truly lucky in Pork Belly (like Hilary).  Today, even the Chinese commies are told to better pay to play.  Starting with CNOOC, China is in fact forced into paying many millions each year to bagman, er, I mean lobbyists, to get things done in Washington.
7. Further, the elite system is highly dynastic. 2nd and 3rd generation scions and spouses automatically move up because of who they are (as born), and not because of abilities. Bush-Dubya-Jeb, Bill Clinton-Hilary, and even Nixon's son in law (who is running against Hilary in NY).

8. The elections are largely a show, a ritual, to trick the citizenry into believe that they have control over the political process, which they don't.

9. Elections have evolved into a highly stylized, hugely expensive (the 2004 race cost over $2 billion dollars - no money no talk) form of prancing and preening of feathers in front of the TV camera. Coiffure and appearance and ability to deliver sound bites dictate the outcome of races.

10. "Election" in America is largely a futile exercise in which all the candidates share the same values (more on that later). They try to differentiate themselves through ridiculous liars' contests. Issues do not matter. It is whomever who can tell the biggest lies ("Campaign Promise" is such a big oxymoron, instead of demanding that their politicians be honest, the American electorate simply accept that such "promises" are not be to kept) that get to be "elected" the leaders.'

11. Over 90% of incumbents are reelected - because they are supported by the moneyed special interests. Without special interest money, you cannot win.

12. Demonstrably the "elected" officials work only to protect the interest of the elite who put them into power. The laws they pass benefit only the rich. Some random examples:

a). The tax cuts benefit disproportionately the very rich. It is regressive in that the more money you have, the better the tax cuts benefit you. The virtual elimination of inheritance taxes benefits largely the rich.

b). The No Child Left Behind laws allow the military recruitment access to the high school children's personal info, in all schools that get public money. On the whole, the rich do not go to public school, and so their children are not subject to the undue pressure and lies of the military recruiters (Uncle Sam wants you, especially if you are poor). MOST in Congress have deemed it uncouth for themselves or their children to serve in the military.

13. The demonstrable result is that in America the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. The top 0.1% saw their income double in the last 10 years, while the bottom 90% saw their income shrink after inflation - and the trend continues. Through "distillation," the wealth of the country continues to concentrate more and more in the hands of the super rich.

14. "Free Speech" is illusory. No money, no talk. Only 5 corporations own over 95% of all "speech" in America, and the press' "speech" is only as free as their bosses allow them to be. So you see the "fair and balanced" outfit like FOX.

15. But the more surprising (at least to the Chinese) is how docile the Americans are. Even after the disclosure of major graft (Schwarzenegger being only the latest), the average American simple shrugs his shoulders and act as if that is indeed acceptable.

Yet America consistently ranks high on the corruption charts, as a "clean" country.  The propanda machine if out in force again, preaching the virtues of  "democracy," when everybody knows that corruption in America probably is higher in number than that of the rest of the world added together.  

ALL corruption in China added together would not rival just one House of the U.S. Federal system.  And there are 50 sets of 2 houses in that land.  

In China, corrupt officials are punished and their carriers are over.  In the "clean" Western countries, they move on to higher "achievements," competing to see who can get the most graft.

[ Last edited by tongluren at 2006-7-8 08:05 AM ]

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