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Originally posted by markwu at 15-6-2006 09:20
why do you think the focus was on just the 14? is it beyond you to think that the essence of the matter has got more to do than just the 14?
I know that's not the only issue. But if the issue of Yasukuni is the 14 and not the millions of others there, then that would have to show that the matter of war crimes is condensed into those guys. Otherwise the Chinese government would be demanding Yasukuni was pulled down.
why not stay focused on the points in matter first, and let's take it from there?
Well we're already off-topic. The news report is about better Sino-Japanese relations (potentially), but some people had to come in to focus on the bad rather than the potential good. And that doesn't even include tong's random comments - where's your criticism of him/her?
Quite frequently people are happy to move the discussion on to what they talk about, but when someone want to change it againt to something they don't want to talk about they get annoyed. The point icuile made is relevant because it damages China's case and undermines the arguments of people who want to focus on the issue of Japan's past. If someone says they want to talk about the past to heal old wounds, but then argues talking about a different, but more recent and also "unresolved" issue would only reopen old wounds, then that rather undermines his/her argument.
Paranoid? are you suggesting that those who year in and out tried to change their history books are not espousing the sentiments indirectly of pre-war japan, or would you next try to say it's only a small percentage?
Well it rather depends who you're talking about, as well as what you're talking about. There are people that want to whitewash history lessons. But if you're saying that is the objective of the government itself then I would have to disagree with you.
why not try a little bit of true humanism
1. I doubt very much that I could get you to make a similar statement about something I felt strongly on.
2. I have previously indicated what I feel, but people just ignore it because it doesn't suit their POV of me.
3. I will say that I hope Japan comes up with an apology that is acceptable to its neighbours, can finally teach the war history in an honest manner, clear up those chemical munitions in China (which it is doing) and compensate the comfort women & other surviving victims. Though I'm not so sure the latter point will ever be resolved.
But I'm quite sure that will be ignored, just as it has been every time I said anything like it.
it's the neocons we're after
Then why do people here so frequently talk about "Japan" and "the Japanese", rather than indicating they have a gripe with only a small number of people? And why do they use tems such as "Japs", "nips", etc? Whatever they may believe often their anger becomes indiscriminate.
your socalled modern japanese who resemble the Chinese and other asians in so many ways are no help in the matter of showing japan's national resolve of true contrition - because they have remained as mute and conciliatory towards those neocons as, well, you, and the likes of 'iculie' and others
What exactly are they supposed to do? There isn't a "Japanese apology party" for one thing. And some Japanese have always campaigned for better school teaching of the war, a bett er apology, etc. But what can I say - most people are somewhat selfish and want to get on with their lives. Foreign policy rarely strongly affects the attitudes of the public in any country. I've never heard of a case where an apology/compensation for war crimes for a country like Germany or Japan has been achieved by pressure from the bottom-up. From what I've read about it's always from the top.
And I will say this, the very fact Chinese stay silent about those domestic issues, especially ones that are still going on, because they want to "get on with their lives" should be a good example of this.
Those who forget the crimes they commit onto others in other countries
I notice you said "in other countries". Why have that caveat?
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