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Post time 2006-5-19 14:13:44 |Display all floors
My take:  People are smart enough to see China's simplified version of the Chinese language has the greater world future.  Just another sign of disrespect when Taiwan's transliteration system is falling out of favor around the world.      



For students of Chinese, politics fill the characters

By VANESSA HUA
San Francisco Chronicle
21-MAY-06

Choosing a baby's name is seldom simple. But it can expose a rift that has been tearing at the Chinese community around the world for more than half a century.

Frank Mong and his wife, Sandra, asked his parents to pick the Chinese name for their first child, in keeping with tradition, and his mother selected one that meant "right and auspicious."

She insisted he spell it Shiang-yu, with the phonetic transliteration system used in Taiwan, where the Chinese Nationalist government retreated after losing the civil war to the Communists in 1949. Not Xiangyou, as dictated by the spelling system developed in the 1950s by the Communist Chinese government when it also introduced simplified characters to increase literacy.

"If it's born from the Communist regime, she refuses to recognize it as Chinese," said Mong, 32, who lives in San Francisco.

He rejected his mother's suggestion because most of the world now learns the system developed by China. However, the traditional transliteration system _ and traditional written characters _ remain standard in Hong Kong and Taiwan, and in many Chinese newspapers published in America.

As China rises in geopolitical importance, the number of Chinese language classes and schools in other countries also has grown. Not only are children of Chinese immigrants studying the language, more and more non-Asians are learning it for work and travel. Yet as long as there are two systems, the way that many people read and write often reflects their values and loyalties. And indeed, both Beijing and Taipei are fighting for their system's dominance by providing subsidized teacher training trips and free books for language schools.

China is setting up Confucius Institutes worldwide, including one that opened this year at San Francisco State University, to promote the study of Chinese. By 2010, China's education ministry intends to open another 100. At two-year and four-year colleges and universities in the United States, enrollment in Chinese classes was 34,153 in 2002, up 20 percent from 1998, when 28,456 students were enrolled. About 100 private after-school and weekend programs for younger students enroll about 20,000 students in Northern California. Public schools across the Bay Area increasingly offer Chinese classes.

The number of students taking the SAT Chinese subject test _ offered in both simplified and traditional forms _ has nearly doubled, from 2,865 in 1996 to 4,917 in 2004.

Next spring, the College Board plans to offer a Chinese language Advanced Placement test, also in both traditional and simplified versions.

Until China opened to the West in 1979 _ when the United States resumed diplomatic relations with Beijing _ Taiwan was the cultural standard-bearer for many overseas Chinese. During the Cold War, private Chinatown language classes were treated as "propaganda outlets" for the ruling Nationalist government, said Ling-chi Wang, a professor of Asian American Studies at UC Berkeley who plans to retire this year.

"The primary objective of these schools was, and still is, to instill pride in, and loyalty to, Chinese language and culture among Chinese children, born and raised in the U.S.," Wang said.

"Traditional characters have a lot of history and culture behind them," said Tian Tang, creator of Hanzi Smatter, a Web site dedicated to the misuse of Chinese characters in Western culture. "By simplifying (the characters), you are slowly eroding culture and everything behind it."

Either way, when in China, Taiwan or Hong Kong _ or San Francisco's Chinatown _ one must do as the locals do, teachers said.

"Out of courtesy, you use the character set they use," said Andrew Corcoran, head of the Chinese American International School, a private, bilingual institution in San Francisco for kindergarten through eighth grade.

Within Mandarin, Cantonese and other dialects, words are pronounced the same regardless of which writing or spelling system is used.

But simplified characters are starting to predominate in American classrooms, educators say, because on a practical level, that system is more widely used: China has a population of 1.3 billion. By contrast, about 31 million people use the traditional system.

As immigration from mainland China increased in the 1980s, so did the number of "heritage" or weekend schools in the United States run by parent volunteers mainly for Chinese American children.

The Chinese government will provide $88,000 to help start the new institute at San Francisco State. It's also sending teachers and more than 3,000 books from Beijing Normal University. But Christy Lao, director of the institute and an associate professor of elementary education, said the institute is "not the voice of the Chinese government."

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Post time 2006-5-19 16:59:02 |Display all floors
Originally posted by raymondusa at 2006-5-19 14:13
My take:  People are smart enough to see China's simplified version of the Chinese language has the greater world future.  Just another sign of disrespect when Taiwan's transliteration system is fa ...


congratulations
China is winning


I enjoy reading Traditional Chinese
it's a piece of cake for me to read Simplified Chinese


I speak only Mandarin in China
in a small town in GZ
the Policeman stopped the bus for violation
I want to leave the bus but have a hart time communicating with him
a peasant said I am a foreigner

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Post time 2006-5-19 18:08:56 |Display all floors

Ironic

Because I remember the biggest Chinese nationalists on this and other forums complaining about how simplified Chinese had taken over, when traditional Chinese was so much more wonderful.
"People are the water, the ruler is the boat; water can carry the boat, but it can also capsize it."

-- Li Shimin (2nd Tang Emperor, "Taizong")

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Post time 2006-5-19 19:05:34 |Display all floors

Aim at victory for ALL Chinese.

It is inevitable that as the Chinese language extends its use and reach commensurate to her economic power that there will be some internal battles to be fought out. This need not be a conflict; it should be a concerted and bi-partisan co-operation between the two schools of thought. Ultimately all Chinese would like to have the simplest, the most functional and most acceptable version of the language to be used now and handed down to the next generations . China, unlike many other large countries, is blessed with having only ONE language which can serve all China and her overseas' diaspora. Unlike India and PNG which has tens to hundreds of different dialects and' languages '.

There are two aspects to this problem : Chinese characters of the old complex form vs the simplified form. I do not envisage any trouble here. The day to day version will be the simplified form because of the obvious advantage in learning , writing and printing.

Then there are the romanised ( English alphabet ) version of transliteration. The Giles-Wade English version was standard for years and years. It was a contribution by the British and it was functional. The new version is the pin-yin as prescribed by the PRC . The gist of this is one of  STANDARDISATION. We need one and only one version. It will take years to finalise this but it must be done. The sooner we take pride in completing this chore the better all of us will be, and so would the foreigners who are going to study Chinese.

The classical complex pictogram writing in Chinese will still have its place in calligraphy and for the auspicious occasions like New Year , birthdays and anniversary celebrations.  
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Post time 2006-5-21 18:22:06 |Display all floors
raymondusa, i've only been here 20 minutes but i can see already that you make some really petty points.

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Post time 2006-5-22 15:01:03 |Display all floors

language is culture, not politics.

please treat it with care.

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