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soudenjapan>The point that you are refering to is probably not regarded as a serious mistake here in Japan.|
joe>we have the same problem in china, regarding to sun yat sen, according to my personal , unpopular view. but to me, this is the reason why china and japan is now on a collision course, and the world is heading into a doomsday.
soudenjapan>They say that all major political decisions made during the Meiji period were good ones.
joe>could u give me some idea how much the japanese still worship meiji?
japan> Bad ones were made, they believe, during the early Showa period.
joe>i, in fact, live in the late showa period in japan as a kid. hirohito to me was only a figure-head type of a person. was he significant before ww ii ended? i mean as a hands-on major policy maker?
japan>Japanese historians often focus, in their arguments, on finding out what happened to the Japanese between the period of the Meiji and Showa era, assuming that some qualities were degraded during that period of time.
joe>i think they should really focus on what made japan's showdown with america inevitable and the atrocities in korea and china capable by the modern japanese military. even like today's non-apologetic attitude toward china and the eagerness to remilitarize, or even contemplating preemptive strike against n.korea.
you may be interested to comment on my, again, unpopular post:
japan>Japan at that time could have been colonized by European powers, but was not actually colonized while most of Asian countries were.
joe>but asia has been an old and cultured place. being colonized by western barbarians was in our fate, which china had accepted so that she could remain being as asian as possible. but being turned into barbarians ourselves was not in our fate.
i think meiji made a mistake of succumbing to this temptation of modernization thru westernization, not realization his unconscientious agenda was militarization, or barbarism. even if we forget about the modernization and militarization, how can we explain the barbaric acts of the japanese soldiers in other asian countries? were they the proper behaviors of civilized asians? in short we need to pinpoint the exact moment when japanese changed from asian to non-asian.
japan>So the Japanese generally believe today that proper decisons were made at that time. Nobody accuses Meiji Emperor for anything as far as I know.
joe>i feel this modern view is still typical of the west or westernized japanese. it focused on effect, rather than cause, opposite to the asian(buddhism fex) approach.
is meijii also worshipped in the shrine that the prime minister's visits have cause so much bad feeling between china/korea and japan?
finally, excuse for my bluntness, do japanese consider themselves, or even preferred, to be asian or westerners?