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Post time 2006-3-24 10:21:00 |Display all floors
well, look at the so-called "independant" HK and Macao, do u TRULY think they have more freedom now than before, they can't even vote DIRECTLY their premier !!!

Victor05, if Hong Kong and Macao cannot vote for anything, it is because they cannot vote for those things
before China tooks over. I really have no knowledge of the CCP imposed anything on Hong Kong's and
Macao's government. If people of Hong Kong and Macau dissagree with their government policy, they
can protest against their government and I did heard of a couple of protests in the past recent months,
but I don't have detail, nor do I know what their government is going to do.

The only impact that the mainland has on Hong Kong and Macau is that the rich business people will
seek to move their businesses to the mainland to increase their profit and leave some of the people
of Hong Kong and Maucau temporarely out of work and I am sure by now most of the employment
issue have been taking care off by their government.

p.s: never trust CCP. they promise HK will be independant for 50 years and they control it already after 5 years. want examples ?  media's been "cleaned up" to get rid of those who got bad opninons about CCP,  dissidents are sent to jail or not allow to enter mainland..just a few to give u an idea.don\t get me wrong, my whole family 's commies and i love the idea of equality but we all have to admit communism in China today isn't exactly what we pictured: corrupted officers. brutal army, uneducated policemen. even a businessmen are allowed to join CCP for god's sake !!!   no wonder Taiwanese doesn't want anythin to do with us

No one is condoning corruption, but it is not possible to solve it completely in the poor country where
people is highly tempted to seek Hollywood life-style. Our criminal law is one of toughtest in the world
to detered people from crimes, but it is not going to wipe crime completely out from China. Furthermore,
it is not fair for you to accuse the entire CCP of corruption because of a few gave in to temptation. How do
you like to be treated that way when a couple of your friends gave in to temptation?

As for freedom of the press there are significant progress in this area as well, and it is not
the government at fault alone, but also some of the trouble-maker reporters a well. Therefore, we need
to look at each case individually. Give me a case and I will gladly comment on it.

God blesses all,

Forest Servant.

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Post time 2006-3-24 13:04:35 |Display all floors
actually Hong kong had full rights to vote who ever they wanted in the later part of the rule under the British and saw Hong Kong rise above the rest through self determination. They lost that when they went back to china Taiwan knows the CCP offers are really about they say one thing but at the end of the day Beijing would be the capital of the two china's and therefore has complete rule over taiwan. People are not stupid they know that.

Tris, I am really not aware of the CCP amending Hong Kong Constitution to remove Hong Kongers'
right to vote. Can you show me any article or anything depicting your allegation.

Usually, only the Hong Kongers's parliametarians can ammend Hong Kong's constitution, no one
else can. Hence, I beleive you are trapped by the trouble-makers propaganda.

God blesses all,

Forest Servant.

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Post time 2006-3-24 23:26:26 |Display all floors
Originally posted by forestservan at 2006-3-24 10:21

Victor05, if Hong Kong and Macao cannot vote for anything, it is because they cannot vote for those things


so u r saying because HK's previous gov didn't give democracy, we have to do the same ? accordin to this logic, can i say if everyone else's killing people, i should do the same ?. i didn't say HK's model is perfect. Whatever british did or not is not our problem. my point was if HK was much more democratic than the mainland, we should keep it as it is and even improve some areas such as election format as u mentioned if it wasn't perfect.  



before China tooks over. I really have no knowledge of the CCP imposed anything on Hong ...

   

well, if the freedom of press is really " much better than before" as u said, i think u would have some knowledge about HK\s current situation.


a final note regardin the "poverty leading to corruption" thing : i don't buy that, poverty dosen't lead to corruption at all if THE GOV IS WELL MONITERED by people. look at India, the biggest democratic country demographically. They don't have corruption problem altho their people are as poor as us if not more.  the reason why we have corruption is that our gov is controlled by CCP members and no opposition parties monitoring them. they are free to do whatever they want because there's no TRANSPARENCY at all   

Everyone seems to be content with our current economy. but if the country is democratic, i would think we can do even better (that's why India's catching up quickly and use less time) what u think  Mr Forrest ?

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Post time 2006-3-25 01:31:03 |Display all floors
"Can you show me any article or anything depicting your allegation." too tired at 3:30 am

But I do know 50% of the paliment is voted in by the people of hong kong and the rest comes from Beijing government. So its really giving them the vote... but to vote fo what? No way can a opposition beat a beijing backed canidate. What ever way you look at it its not really a democracy its only to make the west happy but the beijing government makes sure their man is in the seat of power in hong kong. That is not democracy.

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Post time 2006-3-25 01:31:50 |Display all floors
Socialism comes from Germany, a western country. We did not invent it. Our socialism is also market economy and we are developing towards the direction of complete market economy.
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Post time 2006-3-25 01:33:11 |Display all floors
Deng Xiaoping urged us not to ask whether it is surnamed "socialism" or "capitalism". Just develop economy. It is our absolute principle.
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Post time 2006-3-25 09:09:47 |Display all floors
There is no such thing as pure capitalist, otherwise the gap between rich and poor will be
beyond anyone control and lot of people will ultimately become slave.

What is referred to as "Captialist" today is really "half Capilalist and half Socialist" because
all properties are still belong to the State. If you don't pay propert tax, you can't own any property,
dispite you have paid for the property from your own pocket. Moreover, any Capitalist government
that taxes the rich more then the poor is attempting to control the gap between rich and poor; hence,
indirectly using socialist principle to level everyone income.

God blesses all,

Forest Servant.

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