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Post time 2006-3-18 18:00:29 |Display all floors
In the begining, when China annexed Taiwan from the Dutch, the resources used came from
the tax-payer in China.

And when the KMT tooks golds from China to build up Taiwan, the golds also belong to the tax-payer
in China.

Hence, it will be criminal for anyone to attempt to take away all resources that belong to China's
tax-payer and used for their own independent benefit, period, wrong, wrong, and wrong!

God blesses all,

Forest Servant.

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Post time 2006-3-18 18:56:30 |Display all floors
Originally posted by forestservan at 18-3-2006 10:00
Hence, it will be criminal for anyone to attempt to take away all resources that belong to China's
tax-payer and used for their own independent benefit, period, wrong, wrong, and wrong!


But China itself doesn't belong to mainlander taxpayers - they don't have the vote. So how can they "own" Taiwan?

Plus surely a place belongs to the people that pay taxes in that region. Do Shanghaiese get to tell Beijingers how to run their city?
"People are the water, the ruler is the boat; water can carry the boat, but it can also capsize it."

-- Li Shimin (2nd Tang Emperor, "Taizong")

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Post time 2006-3-18 20:24:38 |Display all floors
Greeding old friend, hope thing doin well for you in the UK.

But China itself doesn't belong to mainlander taxpayers - they don't have the vote. So how can they "own" Taiwan?

What do mean China doesn't belong to the mainland taxpayers. Doesn't the UK belong to the UK
tax payer? Usually you pay taxes to maintain your land and protecting it.

As for voting, it has nothing to do with owing the land. You work, and you pay taxes(directly or indirectly) and
the government will used your taxes money to work in your interest. In this case, in the mid 1600
it was used to anexed Taiwan from the portuguese.

Plus surely a place belongs to the people that pay taxes in that region. Do Shanghaiese get to tell Beijingers how to run their city?

Sure you can make it that way if you choose to, but that is not how places like the US work.
When the US purchase Alaska from russia they used the tax payer money for it. And Alaska belong
to the US tax payer. Moreover, Alaskan government can't steal Alaska state from the tax payer and use it
to get rich on the oil to benefit just Alaskan. It is just wrong, mencius. And Taiwan is the same
way. The KMT took tons of gold that belong to China tax payer to rebuild taiwan. Whether economically
successfull or not Taiwan is still belong to China tax payer no matter how you look at it.

God blesse all,

Forest Servant.

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Post time 2006-3-19 00:29:06 |Display all floors

interesting theory.... but

So you are saying that Taiwan was founded on the then 50 million USD worth of gold the KMT took from China. Since this money belonged to the Chinese people, Taiwan belongs to China. Good theory... but naive, now allow me to retort:

1. The 50 millions USD worth of gold bullions are still sitting in Taiawn's central reserve, the KMT did not use a single bullion to build Taiwan. If that's what the CCP is really concerned with, we'll ship it back to mainland.

2. Communism centralizes all the private properties including savings and distributes it equally to all. When de-privatization and wealth re-distribution was going on in China, many farmers and workers didn't get a cent, let alone Taiwan. So Taiwan wasn't included in this so-called "wealth re-distribution" program.

3. Soon after the PRC was founded, in the 40's and 50's, most of the heavily taxed people were the private entrepreneurs and land owners, who were either executed or committed suicides. They were the real tax payers, but now they are dead.

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Post time 2006-3-19 07:41:31 |Display all floors
So you are saying that Taiwan was founded on the then 50 million USD worth of gold the KMT took from China. Since this money belonged to the Chinese people, Taiwan belongs to China. Good theory... but naive, now allow me to retort:

Greeting TwChinese. Yea, I did say that, but just in part. And thank for replying.

1. The 50 millions USD worth of gold bullions are still sitting in Taiawn's central reserve, the KMT did not use a single bullion to build Taiwan. If that's what the CCP is really concerned with, we'll ship it back to mainland.

I don't agree with the figure, but we don't mind having it back, LOL.

2. Communism centralizes all the private properties including savings and distributes it equally to all. When de-privatization and wealth re-distribution was going on in China, many farmers and workers didn't get a cent, let alone Taiwan. So Taiwan wasn't included in this so-called "wealth re-distribution" program.

I don't believe government system have anything to do with ownership of the land. People worked
to provide for themself plus to maintain and protect the land. I just used the term "tax" to represent
their sweat and blood. Moreover, government system can change but ownership of the land cannot.
The tax payer owned their land directiy or indirectly no matter how I look at it. And they are likely to
be pissed is someone is trying to take it away from them.

3. Soon after the PRC was founded, in the 40's and 50's, most of the heavily taxed people were the private entrepreneurs and land owners, who were either executed or committed suicides. They were the real tax payers, but now they are dead.

Well, things does happened everywhere now and then, Probably, tomorow we will jailled ot shoot
the rich basted for rape, who's know, but the people of China still have owned their land since day1.

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Post time 2006-3-20 09:46:53 |Display all floors
going back 500 years or going back 1000 years , trying to reclaim land is just plain nonsense.  from DNA evidence all humans came from south africa 2 million years ago, will you try to reunify with south africa too?
milosovich of yogolovisia the dictator serb who mass murdered hundreds of thousands of his neighbors, his troops were destroyed with UN forces.   so the international forces will go after agressive regimes.
2nd , since the civil war in china was between ccp and kmt.  then why don't you just ask the kmt to all move back to china. since you ccp just loves kmt so much,  do us all a favor and invite kmt to move back and live in china.
and don't try to reclaim any land,  since the defination of ownership is when a product is manufactured in a factory and you use money to buy it, it now belongs to you.  since no humans created land on earth.  No one has the right to claim land.

We do not need to reclaim something that is already our. For 500 years, lot of our tax dollars went
into nuturing, maintaining and defending Taiwan. Hence the island is ours, just like any other country tax payer
pay to nurture and defend their country.

and furthermore,  all the buildings, freeways, houses, democratic government , judicial courts systems in taiwan is built by taiwan residents , we are the rightful owners of all the property we built.

True that you own your property that you build from your own money, but not from ours money.
Moreover, the land that you build properties,...., and highways on is ours.

And thank you for the good arguments, Tomohark.

God Blesses all,

Forest Servant.

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