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Post time 2006-3-7 20:42:42 |Display all floors

Hmmm ...

Originally posted by liangzai at 7-3-2006 09:42 AM
The dangers of online "predating" are exaggerated. There are far bigger dangers out there...


Personally I think that dirty old men preying on young children via the Internet is both sick and very dangerous ... In some cases it has ended in very serious abuse and even death ...

Threebowls, I commend your post.
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Post time 2006-3-7 21:11:10 |Display all floors
Yeah, but this is all repeated as soon as a new medium arrives. Telephones were considered very dangerous once upon a time, because virtually anybody could phone your house and lure your little daughter into oblivion.

Internet is just the latest reincarnation of this.
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Post time 2006-3-7 22:48:14 |Display all floors

Well ...

This subject and the moderator's excellent advice is simply not worth arguing about or disputing.

It is much easier for an adult to manage and supervise the "house" phone than it is to constantly monitor their children's Internet access. There are many children with PCs in their bedrooms and, as (for example) teenagers, they do not have their parents watching their every more. However I also accept that the availability of cheap mobile phones has also created another medium which is hard to supervise: we now have phone bullying, video phones used in “happy slapping” incidents, etc.

Anyway, you suggested that the "dangers of online "predating" are exaggerated". I do not think that death or serious abuse are exaggerated dangers - they are real dangers and I doubt you could find a worse outcome than those.
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Post time 2006-3-7 23:37:45 |Display all floors
I don't see it as something to argue about. There's nothing wrong with giving out some ideas for kids (or adults who aren't very savvy) to stay safe. If you already feel safe, for instance if you are a man or a more mature(minded) woman, you probably ARE safe. The predators 3bowls is talking about probably aren't after men or older, wiser women.

Liangzai, if you had a young teenage daughter, would you want her talking every day with an older man who was making her feel wanted, asking her personal questions, telling her how cute she is? For some people that's inappropriate enough. And would you want your 16yr old girl meeting some 40yr old guy you both never met, at his house, taking a ride with him, having a drink with him because she was too polite to refuse, and she thought he was her age because she didn't even ask, etc...? So now she's stuck in a bad situation that she doesn't even want to be in?

I'm sure most people online are not predators, but our kids should still be aware of some basic ideas to help keep them from the ones who are.

And it's not just *extreme* bad situations like rape and murder, it might be more mild than than. It might just be a guy who meets a girl and expects sex the first night and she doesn't want it. Maybe he's too pushy and it makes her feel really uncomfortable and she's in a position where she has to shove him off her or yell, or she wishes she wasn't there. Maybe he *does* stop and doesn't go through with it, but  I still wouldn't want my daughter (if I had one, or son?) being in that position.

As caringhk said, unfortunately these things DO happen in some places, and even if they aren't known to happen in your place, the internet makes the whole WORLD able to get to us. We're not just talking to our nice neighbors, we're talking to total strangers from everywhere.

(ok otis, stalking commencing... )

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Post time 2006-3-7 23:53:52 |Display all floors
Originally posted by freakyqi at 2006-3-7 23:37
Liangzai, if you had a young teenage daughter, would you want her talking every day with an older man who was making her feel wanted, asking her personal questions, telling her how cute she is? For some people that's inappropriate enough. And would you want your 16yr old girl meeting some 40yr old guy you both never met, at his house, taking a ride with him, having a drink with him because she was too polite to refuse, and she thought he was her age because she didn't even ask, etc...? So now she's stuck in a bad situation that she doesn't even want to be in?


If she was 18, it would be her choice, but at 16, no. :)

But then again, I am not complaining that these hints are suggested, this is good. I am just asking  how this is consonant with the Chinese authorities wanting everyone registered with their real identities, effectively wiping out anonymity.

For me, anonymity is the key feature of the internet, but the political agenda in China doesn't tolerate this. Well, then they are inviting the predators, because inevitably people will get hold of those lists with identities.
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Post time 2006-3-8 02:09:08 |Display all floors
Originally posted by liangzai at 2006-3-7 18:53
If she was 18, it would be her choice, but at 16, no. :)

But then again, I am not complaining that these hints are suggested, this is good. I am just asking  how this is consonant with the C ...


First of all, let's appreciate 3bowls' effort made for the guidance to the young formurites, especially the females to protect them from harm/hurt.  We have seen some "ads" here seducing the females, don't we?

I don't see any of his post with any hint to any consonant with the Chinese authorities' suggestion of identity mandatory in registering on the mobile phones or BBS.  

--- Don't tell me I am "brainstormed" or "brainwashed" only because of I am a Chinese, which is the easiest way to shunt off the topic.  I have experienced enough here for the fact that some of the "foreign" debaters using the rude, sharp even dirty languages to the Chinese while they use much more "mild" languages to debate with non-Chinese.  That is why I hate this forum, I really hate this forum.  Let's go back to the topic.

For the identity mandatory in registering the mobile phones, I don't want to debate, because a) I personally share the same opinion with you and hold objection to this suggestion/requirement, and 2) China is not the only country that want to practise this regulation, some other countries have already practised such kind of regulations, say, Korea, Thailand, Japan, Australia, Singapore, and South Africa.  The USA, UK, Singapore requires the mobile phone users to register when they DON NOT want to receive junk/spam messages, which can interpret as another way of identity mandatory.

For the QQ issue, as I know, it is suggested that the new "group" (qun 群)initiator shall register under true name.  I don't know if they have managed to do this or not.

For the university BBS', I heard of this kind of requirement but strange enough that I have registered in some univ bbs without being asked for the true name, true address or my passport or ID card no.  I am also wondering how can they manage to do this.

Actually, there is no true anonymity in the internet.  Singapore has not taken any national census for so many year, one of the reason given is that the gov't can get a relative accurate stats for the population from the numbers of the IP's!

In the USA, you can even trace up one's physical address from his IP address, with an accuricy of the street numbers due to the richest IP resources they have.  And US gov't is persuading/pressing Google to surrender the searching record in the name of tracing of child abuse crimes.

Netizens as we are, the only way to protect our privacy/anonymity to the utmost extent is to take 3bowls' advice when we are surfing on the internet.

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Post time 2006-3-8 02:36:59 |Display all floors
Right, the entire world is going toward more of surveillance, more of data mining, more of registering, more of controlling the citizens, more of everything, often in the name of fighting "terrorism" (or strenghten "socialism" or whatever the excuse is).

George Orwell was correct about everything except for the year.

The Google case is not about child abuse, it is about sex searches in general. It seems the right-wing Christian nut cases are taking their chance in these times to strengthen their intolerance, wanting to strangle the few freedoms left.

There is anonymity on the internet whenever you really need it, by means of encryption, remailers and a few other tools. Otherwise, most of what we write or receive is like a postcard, and can be traced.
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