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Mengzhi, it does matter if the pictures are old. I'm very certain some of them I've seen before, so I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they are all old. This matters because it's like charging the US military with the same crime twice. To my understanding it's been investigated and I beleive people have been charged with misconduct, not torture, which is exactly what I think it is. Maybe there are other cases of actual torture, but making people get in their birthday suit is not one of the cases. Maybe they thought they were going to SW France??? Are they gross? Yes, and I’d like to think there’s a better way to do business in Iraq. But I don’t think it’s torture.|
This isn't done to all captured enemies either.
Injuries exposed in the photos are, once again, not necessarily from US soldiers beating them after they've been captured. If they are and it's considered abuse, then they will be brought to justice. There's already been an investigation into the matter. So, this is why it matters if they are new or not. New would indicate that the problem has not been fixed, if it can be comletely fixed. With 150,000 soldiers on the ground, it can be expected that all of them won’t behave like gentlemen toward 'enemy combatants'.
Is making a captured enemy get naked considered torture? It’s not physical that’s for sure. It might be psychological, but I doubt it’s greater than the brainwashing they received in their Jihad camps. In any case, the pictures do not show that their physical well being is in danger. They only indicate that a handful of US soldiers are causing distress to the enemies, which is apparently considered misconduct by the US Army.
It's like saying the Chinese tortured American airmen 4 years ago when they simply detained and questioned American soldiers for lengthy periods as the reports suggested several years ago. Would you not agree? They weren't even POWs.
So, are the pictures new or old? Are some new, some old? Is this recycled news? According to the excerpt the CD mod posted in the origianl post, the pictures are from 2003 and so is the story. Because new pictures are in circulation, does not mean they are in fact NEW. Many soldier might have even more pictures that we've yet to see, but that doesn't mean they are all new incidents...of course it doesn't mean abuse is not being continued.
Either way, I have faith that there will be punishment for any misconduct, especially situations like this where it damages our cause over there. Interestingly, there doesn't seem to be any apparent concern in Iraq of the issue this time. Maybe the cartoons are distracting them?
Did you know at Gitmo, the military bakes the Muslims fresh bread daily? Yes, it's true...apparently the Muslims won't eat aged bread for some religous or cultural reason. That's very considerate I think, but there's no coverage of it. Why not?
[ Last edited by mikeghet at 2006-2-18 12:38 PM ]