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Why is it that you have to refute the teachings of christianity by referring back to the teachings of christianity?|
Why do you have to refer back to the bible to show the bible is wrong.
I think the same is done in islamic countries. you there cannot simply say: stoning is wrong! you have to say: stoning is wrong because it is written in verse 22.4, 34.5 and 54.4! You have to accept the mindset of the islamist to refute anythin by these islamists.
You don't stand a chance of convincing anyone if you know nothing of islam. The same here, I am relatively ignorant of the bible, never having read it. So I cannot refute anyone by calling to attention this or that verse.
I only can call to your attention my own moral code - a moral code superior to anyone's as it is mine, if I feel your code to be superior then that becomes mine. This code says: if christianity says something bad, then christianity is backdated. As it is not in congruence with my moral code.
Not accepting the existence of any god, how can i then prove to you that the bible was written by man and not dictated by god, knowing nothing of the content of the bible?
I can't say the bible is contradictory, because then i would first have to accept it was dictated by god and secondly: read it.
So, how can i prove to you god does not exist?
Should i tell you about darwin?
Isn't that in the bible? god created this and that in 7 days. darwin refutes this claim. how do you handle that, steve0?
the big bang, also happened, maybe god created that?
and how old is earth? i think someone computed from the bible it must be about 8000 years. there were a number of people around before that date, civilisations too.
homosexuality, what does the bible say about that? in my world-view that's a genetic variation.
Maybe these are all misinterpretations of god's word. maybe those people writing the bible and the koran just didn't understand what they were hearing. i don't know. all i know is i don't need a god to explain a load of things i don't understand. like, why is the earth flat? why does the universe rotate around earth?
i find it difficult convincing you, and i don't want to! but so many christians want to convince me! or the chinese, i now read. i just meet christians, or buddhists, or whatever they are, in the street and they say: have you met xxxxxxxxxx yet? i just wave them of. but i read they are gaining prominence in china.
What's wrong with that? Christians have said the earth is flat, they have said the universe rotates around earth. They have said it is wrong to sin, and it took some time, it took some extended, concerted effort to make them see the fallacy of their ways.
But what's wrong with thinking earth is the centre of the universe? what's wrong with thinking homosexuality is not right?
What's wrong with then imposing your religion on others? what's wrong with not liking those who do not adhere to your beliefs?
isn't that the fundamental fallacy of christianity? i'm just thinking out-loud here, but wouldn't it be better if they just said: here's my religion, there's yours, and that's the end of that. i won't try to convert you if you won't try to convert me.
we won't start a crusade if you won't.
we won't kill homosexuals if homosexuals won't kill us.
we won't kill witches if witches won't kill us.
we won't kill muslims if muslims won't kill us.
why is the bible god's word? if i said, today: "i am getting some info here, i hear a faint murmur... someone is trying to speak to me!" "i think i'd better write this down!" And then when in five years i'd have ready some very compelling literature, dictated by god, as i say. would you believe me?
Do you believe all those cultleaders?
Why do you believe the bible? I cannot understand why, just because something is 13.000 years old you believe it. why would god talk to clergy 13.000 years ago and not now?
do i make sense to you?
am i already past one page?
why is what is written in the bible god's word?
because the people that wrote it say it? where's their proof? where is the flash of lightning every year at teatime to mark the publishing date?
lastly: how could noah collect so much animals from everywhere? how could he collect so much animals on his own that even today biologists haven't rivalled him, they don't even know of all species yet. How did he go to canada and pick up a pair of buffalo's, first catch them and then bring them to his ark, halfway across the world?
well, enough questions for now. if you've answered them steve0, i'll think of some more...
By the way, I like canchin's post more than mine, so if you doubt which to answer. Choose his, steve0!