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Post time 2006-1-23 07:37:37 |Display all floors

That's bad!

I thought you are one of the biggest pushers for freedom in China! The board should allow freer discussion! On another note, I do have evidence that nobody died in the square, but the board must allow me to post that link. I will give one clue: sinomania. Thanks!

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Post time 2006-2-11 21:43:10 |Display all floors
China Daily BBS seems to be much freer after the rehaul (great job, btw), and there are now some references to that and other incidents that used to be shoved down the hole before.

It is probably still not recommended to begin a hefty debate on that issue, especially not in Chinese, since it is still a sensitive issue (was the response too hard, could it happen again, etc.). However, it is soon 17 years ago, and it becomes an accepted fact of history that isn't as intimidating as it used to be.

Try it and see what happens...
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Post time 2006-2-11 21:51:06 |Display all floors

Mods et al

Originally posted by hugosl at 22-1-2006 23:16
If you are a moderator, can you ask the people who run this board to open it up to talk about controversial things such as that June incident? Thanks!


Liang is right to say that the board has got better, but that doesn't mean it is good. You can still have a freer discussion on such issues elsewhere. If they pushed too hard then the board would be closed down (or turned into a Xinhua type), so at this stage you can't expect more.

Though I don't agree with their POV pushing over certain issues, as can be seen by what they flag (and don't flag). Nor do I think their policing is balanced (insults/certain critcism towards China are cut out but not rants about Japan, the US, THE WEST, Israel/Zionism, religion, etc).
"People are the water, the ruler is the boat; water can carry the boat, but it can also capsize it."

-- Li Shimin (2nd Tang Emperor, "Taizong")

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Post time 2006-2-11 21:56:56 |Display all floors
Of course there is a new left, given the lengthy and rather intense transition to capitalism. It is inevitable that socialist (real socialist!) movements spring up and take the side of all the unemployed and empoverished people in this reform phase.

What is going to be interesting to see is how this new left can influence politics. If China eventually strives for a European social democratic solution, I think there is great hope for China in the future. I am not a social democrat myself, rather more inclined to the liberal/libertarian camp, but I can nevertheless see such a model very fit for the future China.

However, currently the only model of influencing politics in China is to go with the system, becoming an affiliate to the party -- an interest group -- rather than a party aspiring for power (which would be illegal). Would events of reality, such as towering riots, strikes and strong popular opinions make the government act in accordance with the suggestions from these new intellectuals, or would the party steer the boat through thunderstorms no matter what and keep the course as set out a long time ago?

I realize this party is very pragmatic, but in the end -- at some time in the future -- there is but one question left if the party is looking for a German model, and that question involves the absolute power of this party. Right? Would the party, in the future, and given the circumstances, dismantle itself when it feels its historical mission has been accomplished? Would it sacrifice itself for the sake of China if it saw that this was the right thing to do?

This is a mind boggling question.
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Post time 2006-2-11 22:02:27 |Display all floors
Originally posted by mencius at 2006-2-11 21:51
Though I don't agree with their POV pushing over certain issues, as can be seen by what they flag (and don't flag). Nor do I think their policing is balanced (insults/certain critcism towards China are cut out but not rants about Japan, the US, THE WEST, Israel/Zionism, religion, etc).


What I know about journalists in China is that they are often for absolute freedom of speech and the press, and that they only do what is required by law and sporadic instructions from the government. The authorities are not that worried over "zionist" stuff, so nobody cares about that.

Insults toward China, however, are in fact illegal, so they have no choice but to cut it out.
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Post time 2006-2-11 22:32:13 |Display all floors
Well I don't see why they flag so many of those discussions when they're really very silly.
"People are the water, the ruler is the boat; water can carry the boat, but it can also capsize it."

-- Li Shimin (2nd Tang Emperor, "Taizong")

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Post time 2006-2-11 23:12:56 |Display all floors

Hug...

When we can have an open and educated debate on 19*89'ers then you will know that
China has reached the top.

For now we can just learn what we can and use our imaginations as to what happened on
that fateful day. What they don't realize is that it is better to get it out in the open. It is like taking
a bandage off. Instead of slowly removing it and increasing the pain...just one quick
tug, a little pain...and life goes on.

The day will come.....just when?

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