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The USA Christian - Jewish alliance

The USA Christian - Jewish alliance is a fact of life and there are acres
of  articles written about it. At the moment Christianity in China is not
part of that alliance as far as I am aware; however, if  Christianity can
be controlled  to serve the interests of Israel in the USA, why not use
Christianity in China to serve the global interests of Israel?

In other words, will Chinese Christians support Israel in the same
way as the USA Christians support Israel.?  If they do and I think this
most likely , make no mistake Israel will have political influence
in China. Of course the influence will depend upon the number
of Chinese Christians .

What s not in doubt is the fact that there is nowadays a strong
Alliance between American Christians and American Jews.
Of course this in itself appears to be innocent friendly co-operation
and it is just so long as it is not used for secular political advantage
  -- as is the case in the USA.

This question is one of the most significant for Chinese people
to answer and I recommend  all readers to research the influence
the USA "Jewish lobby" has over  American Christians.

To my mind it is important to see this as a discussion about
the possibility of a Jewish -Christian political conspiracy taking
root in China and not as being against either Christians or Jews.
This alliance  undoubtedly exists in the USA.Sample TextSample Text

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Jesus was a Jew

Maybe that is why Christians tend to help the Jews out?

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Aiyoh! Mr. Fish...don't be so hopeful....

...our cultural roots are so deep and well spread out.....

....look at how the Japanese neutralized the missionaries.......

We would not allow an "ideology" that "degrade its followers to being chanting animals" be allowed to gain foothold in China....or elsewhere in the NEW MIDDLE KINGDOM....

it is so obvious....

Chinese scholars is studying the effects and the manifestation from the ideology started by the Romans....and how it became a "burden to western civilization"....

China and Chinese is best to "STUDY HISTORY" and understand it. Not everybody is like the OLD MAN from the RED DOT who make HUMANS become ANIMALS to ensure his dynasty's survival....

cheerios!

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Rome didn't start the Christian ideology, they became absorbed into it. And although Christianity can be seen as a burden to Western civilization, it can also be seen as a cultural trait that kept Europe united. Christianity is also the root of the Western scholar system with universities, and Western philosophy and science is directly inherited from these initiatives. Today, science has killed off the religious part of Christianity (what an irony), but the cultural part remains a unifying factor of the West, just like Confucianism in China.

Christianity thus has no chance of spreading as a _religious_ movement in China, because it is too late. The Chinese can, however, adhere to some of the moral principles, either on their own or as a complement to Confucian principles. Both Christian and Confucian principles have to be modified to be practical in the modern society.

Christians do not support Israel by default. While the USA support Israel, European countries usually support Palestine. China is also in favor of Palestine, for what reason I do not know.

Modern Christians in Europe do not support religious battles, but have a more refined religious thought pattern, bascially saying that all religions strive for the same thing and believe in the same creator. This is logical, because there can be at most one such creator.

As a scientific--minded atheist, I dare say there is none such creator.
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Originally posted by liangzai at 16-1-2006 06:13
And although Christianity can be seen as a burden to Western civilization, it can also be seen as a cultural trait that kept Europe united. Christianity is also the root of the Western scholar system with universities, and Western philosophy and science is directly inherited from these initiatives.


Indeed. Religion rarely drives people forward, but it often has other positive benefits. The fact that Christianity is growing in China shows that it is indeed a compatible religion. In any case given that so many Chinese are now secular or just "religious" on holidays out of tradition it isn't nearly as much of a problem as it could have been in the past.

By the way, chris, are you saying that there is no relgious freedom in China now? You are contradicting the Chinese government you "China-basher"
"People are the water, the ruler is the boat; water can carry the boat, but it can also capsize it."

-- Li Shimin (2nd Tang Emperor, "Taizong")

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Support for Israel and Fundamentalism in the USA

Fundamentalist Christians in the USA have been pro-Israel for decades.  It's their belief that Israel and Jews generally are God's chosen people, as stated in the Christian Bible.  I think their support for Israel is an effort to erase from their religious ideology one of its more unfortunate characteristics, which is anti-Semitism.  For centuries, Christians in Europe have been more or less anti-Semitic.  

One of the most overlooked facts of World War Two is that Hitler did accomplish his stated goal of erradicating Jews from Europe.  The number of Jews in Europe even today is a small fraction of what is was prior to WW2, and today Jews comprise an even smaller percentage of the total population than before WW2.  Equally forgotten is how Hitler blunted opposition to his rise with anti-Semitic views, which were popular in countries where leaders sought to stop Germany's re-armament.  Leaders couldn't organize opposition to Hitler because he was saying what a lot of Europeans (and Americans) were thinking.

So the idea that Christianity in China will be used to expand support for Israel in the world has some merit.  The congregations that sponsor and recruit evangelical Christians to travel abroad would not likely encourage those who are anti-Semitic into evangelism.  So pro-Semitism is part of the religion, especially among those who are most likely to engage in evangelical activities.

It's also worthwhile to remember that most of what we think of as modern countries were Christian theorcacies or nearly theocracies less than a century ago.  Even prayer in public school was only discontinued in the USA less than 50 years ago.  So many of the "evils" ascribed to Christianity are more correctly ascribed to the Christian theocracies that have only recently been dismantled.




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