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Oops, they did it again. Iraqis discovered tortured by USA in Baghdad. [Copy link] 中文

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Lyndie England was behind bars when all this happened, so they can't blame it on her.  When they're done, America will at war with the entire world, which may be exactly what some are seeking to profit from.  

American companies are not allowed to sell arms to China because the USA is planning a major invasion of the middle east -- to occupy all the Muslim countries from Lebanon to Pakistan, and up north to Chechnya Russia.  One more 9/11 and there will be a military draft, and then its off to the middle east for America's children.

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November 16, 2005

Torture Alleged at Ministry Site Outside Baghdad

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Nov. 15 - Iraq's government said Tuesday that it had ordered an urgent investigation of allegations that many of the 173 detainees American troops discovered over the weekend in the basement of an Interior Ministry building had been tortured by their Iraqi captors. A senior Iraqi official who visited the detainees said two appeared paralyzed and others had some of the skin peeled off their bodies by their abusers.

Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari held a hurriedly organized news conference to announce the official inquiry, and a wider one that he said would involve a comprehensive count of the thousands held in Iraqi jails to determine whether there was a wider pattern of abuse, as many opponents of his government have claimed.

A joint statement by the American embassy and the United States military command called the situation "totally unacceptable" and said American officials "agree with Iraq's leaders that mistreatment of detainees will not be tolerated."

The discovery of what appeared to have been a secret torture center created a new aura of crisis for American officials and Iraqi politicians who hold power in the Shiite-led transitional government. For many Iraqis, the episode carried heavy overtones of the brutality associated with Saddam Hussein and his Sunni-dominated government.

Ominously, amid rising sectarianism here, Interior Ministry officials reported the abused detainees appeared to have been mostly Sunni Arabs, and their abusers Shiite police officers loyal to the notorious Badr Organization, a militia with close links to Iran.

For American officials in Iraq, still laboring under the shadow of the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal and other allegations of mistreatment of prisoners, the new allegations came at a particularly inopportune moment.

American efforts are currently centered on national elections scheduled for Dec. 15 for a full, four-year government. The details of what American troops found in the government building appeared laden with potential for aggravating sectarian tensions that have bedeviled efforts to foster political stability here.

The detention center was discovered by chance late on Sunday evening, when troops of the Third Infantry Division, investigating a mother's complaint about a missing 15-year-old boy, led Iraqi soldiers in forcing their way past Interior Ministry guards at the building in Jadriyah, a densely populated suburb less than a mile south across the Tigris River from the Green Zone compound that is the seat of American and Iraqi power.

American officers said the guards had told them only 40 men were held in the building, but that more than four times that number were found locked up inside.

At his news conference, Mr. Jaafari said the troops who stormed the building found "signs of malnourishment" among the 173 men and teenage boys, and "there was some talk that they had been tortured."

He said he had appointed a deputy prime minister, Rowsh Shaways, who is Kurdish, to head an inquiry, and ordered him to report within two weeks. "We want to know how this was allowed to happen, and how things reached this point," Mr. Jaafari said.

The wider investigation, into jail conditions across the country, would be led by "ministers and other figures," he said.

An Interior Ministry statement said flatly that torture had occurred and that "instruments of torture," which it did not describe, were found in the building.

The Interior Ministry's undersecretary for security, Maj. Gen. Hussein Kamal, was similarly blunt. "They were being abused," he told Reuters. "This is totally unacceptable treatment and it is denounced by the minister and everyone in Iraq."

In a CNN interview, he was more graphic. "I saw signs of physical abuse by brutal beating, one or two detainees were paralyzed and some had skin peeling off various parts of their bodies," he said.

The dismay among American officers involved in the operations on Sunday was evident from a report on Tuesday in The Los Angeles Times, which on Monday carried the first report of the raid in Jadriyah. In its report on Tuesday, the newspaper quoted Brig. Gen. Karl Horst of the Third Infantry Division, the commander of the raid, as saying that there would be more operations directed at uncovering secret detention centers. "We're going to hit every single one of them," he said.

Since the Jaafari government took office in May and gave the post of interior minister to Bayan Jabr, a former leader of the Badr militia, it has been dogged by allegations that Shiite religious militiamen have infiltrated the country's 110,000-member police force and acted as a spearhead of revenge against Sunnis, locking up thousands in secret detention centers, and forming police death squads that target Sunnis.

Mr. Jabr has denied the allegations, describing them as Sunni insurgent propaganda intended to discredit the country's first Shiite-majority government.

Mr. Jaafari acted after meetings with the American ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, and with the American military commander, Gen. George W. Casey Jr., according to accounts by American officials.

The disclosure of the direct American role in hastening Mr. Jaafari into action was unusual in the 17 months since Iraq regained formal sovereignty, with American officials exerting their influence behind the scenes. Coupled with the uncompromising tone of the American statement, it left little doubt that the Americans saw the episode as one with dire implications for the American enterprise here.

"The alleged mistreatment of detainees and the inhumane conditions at an Iraqi Ministry of Interior detention facility is very serious, and totally unacceptable," the American statement said.

It said the Iraqi inquiry would get technical assistance from the embassy and the military command, as well as from "elements of the Department of Justice and the F.B.I." But it added, "The government of Iraq has the lead in investigating, prosecuting and bringing to justice those who are found to be responsible for the abuse of the detainees. We agree with Iraq's leaders that the mistreatment of detainees will not be tolerated."

Prisoners Allege Use of Lions

The New York Times

WASHINGTON, Nov. 15 - Army officials said Tuesday that they were looking into claims by two former Iraqi detainees that they had been put into cages holding lions to terrify them during interrogations in 2003.

Thahe Mohammed Sabar said in a statement released by the American Civil Liberties Union that soldiers had pushed him and Sherzad Khalid, a friend, into the cage, then pulled them out when a lion moved toward him. Mr. Khalid said soldiers had forced him into the cages after repeatedly asking where to find Saddam Hussein and unconventional weapons.

Asked about the allegations during a news conference on Tuesday, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said, "It seems quite far-fetched," adding "Obviously, everything that everyone alleges is looked into."

The two are among eight plaintiffs in a lawsuit filed in March by the American Civil Liberties Union and Human Rights First against Mr. Rumsfeld, alleging they were subjected to sexual abuse, mock executions and other torture.

Omar al-Neami contributed reporting from Baghdad for this article, and an Iraqi staff member of The New York Times from Kirkuk.

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Post time 2005-11-16 14:42:36 |Display all floors

mark, that title was very cute and creative.

I didn't know you had it in you, but boy was I wrong.  

I kinda skimmed the article.  Did it say who the accused/captors are?  Either way, the Pentagon statement is dead on in that it denounced excessive physical abuse of POWs.

From waht I remeber about the ABG thing is that it was a joke.  What happend there anyways?  Am I mixing up prisons?

Did you know that at our lovely cuban (castro is such  a nice guy) prison we serve the muslims freshly made bread, and hot meals daily?  Yeah, I couldn't belive it either the first time I heard about it.

i'm gonna go play some Spears now if you don't mind.

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Post time 2005-11-27 10:40:52 |Display all floors

Castro's prisons

Now I there bad things going on in Castro's prisons? I am sure not home made bread.

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