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I like iluv2fish, I think he is sincere. He probes and pushes the questions and concerns from the Christian Right within the US. He is not my enemy, though his barking gets annoying, it is still nothing more than an invitation to engage and discuss. He has concerns and fears. How they came to be, what they mean, these are important. It is an opportunity to explain and come to an understanding, a greater awareness and perhaps an appreciation?
Have you seen the movie 'Fog of War'? It is an interview with Robert S. McNamara, who was the US Secretary of Defense under Presidents Kennedy and Johnson -- until LBJ fired him. He was a man I used to despise and loathe. His self-centered ego led him to serve a washed-out, out-of-step President Johnson, who was genuinely lost in the world of which he tried to push around. LBJ's friends were a bunch of old-rime Southern rednecks, long since outdated and left behind, whose lack of a modern vision and a worldly perspective took my country down a stupid path of destruction. The cost was 3 million Vietnamese lives and 58,000 American lives.
What these two never understood were the Vietnamese people.
LBJ was ignorantly and stubbornly bound to a notion that the domino theory had some relevance. What he never understood was that the Vietnamese people didn't give a rat's ass for any sort of Western ideology, they saw the foreign powers in their Nation as an infection, a thing that had no reason to be there. They are strongly independent, they want to do things their own damn way, now and forever and not be subjected to some foreign idea or rule. It wasn't about ideology, it was about independence. Ding-a-ling McNamara never knew it, not until many long years after the war was over and he ventured over to discuss why it was, with the folks he had worked so hard to beat.
He concluded that empathy was important. You needed understanding.
LBJ had no understanding, no empathy and he left his office a broken man, failed and with the realization he had taken a job that he himself was quite unprepared for.
They were mistaken. But look at the cost of their mistakes!