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http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about16104-0-asc-45.html
The basic conclusion is the following. As people left africa
they traveled and became isolated from their ancestral
groups. The bounty of founder affect drove more isolation
and this left these groups far from the centers of cultural
development in the more productive central african regions,
regions more resistent or benifitted by ice ages. As a
result the technological innovations, despite evidence of
european advance, was centered probably in africa and those
centers shifted from east to west africa over time, pumping
peoples into western europe and with admixture pushed
peoples from west to east in many directions and along many
routes. This overall trend erased or diluted earlier east to
west back-migrations and even so the patterns were probably
radial from south asian or middle eastern population centers
and had no ancestral connection to the west pacific rim or
immediate inland areas. Specialization of maritime cultures
on the west pacific rim did not allow extensive migrations
across the western steppe until recent times and inland
moving peoples ran into both climactic problems and
migratory pressures from the west. While these westward
routes were blocked off, the eastward routes along the rim
were open and these WPR dwellers migrated to the new world
and traveled more or less directly, dropping off protoinuit
peoples before settleing in their favored equitorial
regions.
This was rapidly followed by a technogenetic migration
that probably started in africa, settled in the Marseilles
region of france, was pushed eastward by the LGM, mixed with
middleeastern folks who themselves were the product of
recent exo-african migrations, traveled probably through the
transbiakal and into eastern siberia. Whether these people
settled in Japan/Kamchatka/Kurils prior to NA-eastward
migration is debatable, but they are none-the-less related
to Ainu, Korean, Orochon. This group of people settled in
the highland regions in the new world, they may have come
via ice-free corridors overland, they might have borrowed
from the WPR maritime cultures technologies that got them
around glaciers. The protoInuit also benefitted from genetic
contribution, and it does appear that this occurred as these
archeo-trans-biakalese males mixed with meso/paleolithic
japanese preimmigrants constituting most of the inuit
peoples, except the recent input from eastern europe. What
drives the success of this new people is obviously culture.
One sees a slow change of culture in Japan from 22 kya to 16
kya, but with the appearance of incipient jomonese there is
a very rapid shift and within a few thousand years Japan's
jomonese represented on the most culturally advanced groups
of people, with what has been characterized as the most
luxurious H/G culture of the time and the first advent of
pottery [Note I am somewhat suspicious however whether this
pottery might have first appeared in a cruder form in persia
in the preLGM period, kyushu had going for it better clays
than many regions in asia for pottery production]. There is
no evidence that the kyushuan pottern culture makes it to
the new world, so one is left to beleive that the route
between the southern Jomonese nd the new world is
effectively closed by 13,000 years ago, probably closed by
the WEA immigrants. What this tells us is that while the WPR
groups were not fantastically advanced, they were advanced
in terms of certain, largely maritime activities and the
combination of a soluterean like WEA culture and this
advanced WPR culture combined is a likely reason that:

1. We see a rapid advance of culture in Japan over a short
period of time.
2. We see evidence of two waves of migration, probably
closely spaced in time, into the new world.

I know I talk alot about the Japanese and Koreans. The
reason is that because the original japanese were west
pacific rim dwellers of essentially negrito origins it is
quite easy to detect haplotypes from western asia and
because Japan has been somewhat sheilded from recent
migrations from the west (except korea which itself was
isolated somewhat). Within northern china and mongolia
things are much more complicated these cultures have been
caught in the ebb and flow of climactic change as well as
being between ebb/FLOW of west/east migrations. It is
unclear whether there was a divergent branch from the west
around both sides of mongolia or whether the peopling of
manchuria from the north split east/west. What is clear is
that soon after the development of pottery somewhere around
kyushu, pottery culture was seen west in northern china and
north in the amur river, and there appears to be some
sharing between these peoples given in the styles of
pottery. In addition there are stone tools of the Jomon
period that could be mistaken for clovis tools if placed in
a new world context. Also complicating this is evidence of
gene flow from the same WEA-neoafrican middle easterners
into and across northern india as part of the bulge
expansion (meaning present in tibetians and burmese at
significant levels). I tend to validate these migrations
when I have more corroborating regional evidence.
I would certainly be pleased if anyone is willing to do
more typing of siberians and mongolians, afganis, krygies,
persians, farsi, and other central asian groups, eastern
asian indians, nepalese, bhutanese, . . . . . .
It is no secret that just about every indic-islamic country
is undersampled with respect to genetic typing.

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Post time 2005-7-20 10:52:56 |Display all floors

Hello there Mr. Vinfss, this is a nice read!

Wow! A scholarly study on big mess of human interactions...

ha ha

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Post time 2005-7-30 09:14:42 |Display all floors

Japanese

Northeast japanese certainly different from southwest counterpart.

http://users.tmok.com/~tumble/jpp/japor.html

4.b Aduma-hito, People of the Northeast region of Japan

There still remains a sharp distinction of people, culture, language (dialect) northeast and southwest of a line accross the Honshuu, the Japanese main land. The line is almost identical to the Southwest borders of Niigata, Nagano, and Aichi prefectures now. Northeast of this line, there lived people who probably called themselves Emchu, Enju, or Enzo as a word for man (human being). Probably this word was transformed to Emisi or Ezo in the Japanese language, which later just meant 'northern strangers', so the same word is used to name Hokkaido and the Ainu people a thousand years later. From this word "Ezo", some people wonder if the Ainu people lived in half of Honshuu before, but this wasn't the case. These people had a culture with beautiful earthen vessels, which normally are called "Joomon-style vessels". Joomon-style vessels were made in the Southern part of Japan, too, but the center of this culture was more in the north, and later, when the southern people started to use a more advanced style of vessels, these people continued to use Joomon vessels. Here we can see the continuity of the people to a later time.

Most of what are now the Hokuriku, Chuubu, and Kantoo regions were under the Yamato people's control until the late 6th century. Natives of the seized land were then called 'tori-no saezuru Aduma-hito' or "Bird-song Easterners", who spoke Old Japanese with strange accents. (/Adzuma/ in modern Japanese means "East", as does the word /higashi/, but East as direction in Old Japanese was /himugashi/ "the wind to the sun", /Aduma/ was used to refer to the region). Many males of the Aduma region were sent to Kyuushuu as a guard force.

From the 10th century, the Yamato people tried to seize the Northern part of Honshuu, Michinoku, but here the native people, then called Ezo, maintained their autonomy until the end of the 12th century.

The origin of these people (for prehistory they are called Joomon- jin) is not well known. They seem to be a Northern branch of the 'Mongolian' race, and their language is more consonant oriented than the languages of their Southern neighbors. But the language they spoke before contact with the Yamato people is not known. Someone has suggested that Mt.Fuji meant "Fire Mountain" in their language, but we don't have any evidence.

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