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Post time 2004-11-19 21:52:35 |Display all floors

new article from business week; an interview with ceo of red hat linux

i thought this was interesting.  linux is a good building block for greater profit and innovation in nearly every business area that uses computers--good for everyone except for microsoft!  

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China and Linux: Microsoft, Beware!
NOVEMBER 15, 2004
Business Week Online

While open-source software is new to the Middle Kingdom, Beijing is looking to change that. Red Hat CEO Matthew Szulik explains why
Matthew J. Szulik is the chairman and CEO of Red Hat (RHAT ), the North Carolina-based company that is a leading provider of Linux services. Szulik was recently in Beijing to announce the opening of Red Hat's China office. The Chinese government, eager to spur the development of a local software industry, has shown keen interest in the open-source software industry. On the sidelines of a BusinessWeek conference in Beijing, Szulik spoke with Bruce Einhorn, BusinessWeek Asia economics editor, about China joining the Linux revolution.

Q: How important is the support of the Chinese government to Linux here?
A: It's a great leveling effect....a clear [statement] of the government of not wanting to build a critical dependence on one supplier. Linux has broad appeal for government, education, and for private industry. This is one of the few governments to talk openly about advocating open-source [software]. Two nights ago I was at Tsinghua University for a talk and it was packed, with 300 people, to hear about open-source software and its relationship with China. What's fascinating about this is that when broadband becomes cost-effective and affordable in China, it will really get interesting. That's what frightens Microsoft (MSFT ).

Q: Why should Microsoft be frightened by Chinese getting broadband?
A: Right now, most high-speed access in China is [confined to the workplace]. But people [who work on Linux] do it as a hobby. A lot of the growth of open source happens as a social and technical pastime. When low-cost access to broadband Internet [becomes widespread], this will explode and create interesting innovation. Europe and Russia already have thriving communities. What happens when those brilliant software developers can start communicating with their peers in Shanghai or Guangzhou?

Q: What's the state of the software industry in China now?
A: The software industry is in its infancy here. It's less than $150 million in commercial size. But the government will create demand in banking, in telecom, [and] in infrastructure that will spark new and exciting needs.

Q: And what's the state of Linux in China now?
Szulik: Our industry is [in an] embryonic [stage]. The Linux industry is less than $15 million in size. We will announce the opening of Red Hat China [on Thursday]. We will spend time at Tsinghua University, with the government, looking for areas to invest and build relationships. And there's the push we're getting from American suppliers like Oracle (ORCL ), Dell (DELL ), and IBM (IBM ). They would like support from Red Hat right. By next year, we will have 50 to 75 people on the ground here.

Q: How do you compete with existing Linux specialists in China such as Red Flag Linux?
A: Many of the people the marketplace views as competitors are actually collaborators. The expectation is that we will collaborate with Red Flag and build the market together. We're in discussions now with other developers such as Cocreate. It happens everyday now, on areas like middleware, infrastructure management, [and the] desktop.

Q: Barely anyone uses Linux for desktops now in China. How can you change that?
Szulik: We think that the desktop is critically important here. The government has said that it would like a truly free market and alternatives [to Windows]. And there are greenfield opportunities in the marketplace. It's not a market that has to be transitioned from Windows to Linux.

Q: China is notorious for its software piracy, with estimates of 90% or more of the software being pirated. How do you deal with that problem?
A: We don't have that problem because Linux is free. Rather than trying to fight [the problem] with patents and other techniques, we've tried to join it. There's a collaborative model where ideas are shared. When you look at the opportunity here, it's truly a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for firms that act responsibly.

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Post time 2004-11-20 04:30:21 |Display all floors

China and Linux: Microsoft, Beware!

I didn't see the reason to beware...I guess they didn't convince me.  Good article anyways...


ya know, linux/unix have a strong hold over real servers...MS is often used for small companies...

as the article stated it's almost never used in the home and even less in china i presume.

I think if they would put these linux boxes in the schools it would force student to become familiar with the OS...perhaps they would buya  linux box or download and change their OS.  Problem with is that somelinux versinos might still be  a bit complicated to install for the avg user, but fedora core, linodws, and mnadrake are a piece of cake.  In fact, if it takes 30 minutes to install windoz, it will take about 10 minutes to install lindows.  The point is that linux needs to reach the home market, not the server market...i think as the article was pointing out.

so, people can get an illegal copyof windows for free, or donwload most linux flavors for free...which to do?

Windows:
Free in china
might be easier to install
easier to maintain.
way more technical support infrastructure already in place for home users.
all your old games, applications and wahtnot will most likely work on newer versions.
you use it at work and you are 'used' to it
a company doesn't have to pay to re-train its workers to support it(when switching usually not much further training).

Linux:
more secure/stable (avg home user don't care)
free in most cases(but so is an illegal copy of windows).
how come my executable don't  work???
how do i change my wallapper?
how can i get mp3 player installed?
how come my sound driver dont work and nobody in the free open source world has written one for my model?
more importantly, who can i ask for help when everyone I know has windows?
blah blah blah

yeah, it seems as if the home market is inpenetratable.  



"open-source technology is good for both china and the u.s."

if microsoft collapsed because everyone wanted their linux...how would our ecnomoy initially benefit?  I think it would be a disaster...all those windows sales, licensing contracts blah blah would initially  be terrible for our economy...perhaps not china's.

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Post time 2004-11-22 09:53:23 |Display all floors

Microsoft to rule the world

one interesting theory i heard several years back was that MS planned on taking over the server market instead of focusing on the desktop market.  Of course they arlready intend to do that to an extent, but, they were going to loose money just to get everyone running MS server products.  The plan was to disallow clinets (deskopt - home users) from being able to send information through internet (network) servers.  How?  The new MS operating systems were to have some software bug in them...a kind of ID.  This ID would allow the transfer of data through the MS servers.  The old win 98, ME, win2kpro etc were not going to be able to access the internet server until they went to MS update and downloaded the software patch...then they'd be ok.  Sound like a consipriacy theory?  Well, the linux user wouldn't be able to install the patch(unless they created a hack)...then, everyone is running MS and there is no rivalry!  Whether the plan was just a conspiracy theory or not, MS intends to do just this, though through other means(below).
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below is the monopoly in action...instead of creating the want for their product, they intend to take away the want for linux thorugh litigation, not creating a better product.  this is bill gates at his best...


"SINGAPORE - Reports from the Microsoft Asian Government Leaders Forum say that governments using the Linux OS could face litigation for intellectual property violations – without specifying whether Microsoft would be the ones suing.


“Some day,” Microsoft chief executive Steve Ballmer was quoted as telling forum participants, “for all countries that are entering the [World Trade Organization], somebody will come and look for money owing to the rights for that intellectual property."

Ballmer is said to have told the forum participants that Linux violates over 228 patents, which some analysts suggest means Microsoft sees more implementation of “corporation-friendly” intellectual property law as “a weapon that can be used against software rivals,” as the British tech paper The Register put it.

“Clearly,” the paper said, “Microsoft's lawyers are busily plotting ways to embrace and extend this to handy new fields. It could be used to throttle emergent OSS companies, and it could conceivably be used to take the new generation of US (and maybe EU too) anti digital piracy and IP laws global.”

Almost needless to say, Microsoft denies that Ballmer told the forum either how many patents the company thinks Linux violates or that Microsoft itself is planning a litigation war of its own. MicrosoftWatch.com, a Web site that tracks the doings and undoings of the Redmond, Washington software empire, quoted the company as saying Ballmer was referring to “a controversial study” from summer that claimed Linux was found to have violated that many patents.

This came a day after Poland pulled out of the European Union’s patents directive, which could put the directive itself in jeopardy because Poland’s withdrawal could end up meaning the directive can’t draw in a qualified majority. While that could also prove a temporary setback, the Register said, those opposing software patents could be emboldened at any hint of Microsoft threatening a coming intellectual property war.

Reuters also reported the Ballmer comments and noted that one forum participant, Singapore, switched Ministry of Defense computers – about 20,000 – to run open-source operating platforms and not Microsoft, and other regional governments are looking to do likewise, with China, Japan, and South Korea striking a deal to develop open-source software jointly on the Linux platform.

“The Chinese government, in particular, sees its reliance on Microsoft as a potential threat,” Reuters said. “Conspiracy buffs believe certain patches in the Windows code might give U.S. authorities the power to access Chinese networks and disable them, possibly during a war over Taiwan.”

Tell it to Ballmer, who says such fears are only slightly exaggerated. "We think our software is far more secure than open-source software,” he was quoted as telling the forum. “It is more secure because we stand behind it, we fixed it, because we built it. Nobody ever knows who built open-source software.”
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Post time 2004-11-22 22:56:15 |Display all floors

yeah, pretty interesting, mike

microsoft is facing a losing battle.  the open-source genie is out of the bottle, and has already been embraced by big microsoft rivals (such as ibm) as a competitive weapon.  

i read something today which i think makes sense.  some expert said that value in the software world would not come from the software itself, but in integration and other services.  that's basically the tact ibm has been taking recently.  

yes, microsoft is trying to dominate the server market starting at the bottom and working its way up.  

anyway, i think microsoft is a steady company and not likely to go bankrupt anytime in the next 100 years, but is no longer the stock market growth engine it was just five years back.  

i read a computerworld story today about how open-source companies are pushing for open-source versions of enterprise application packages to challenge those from microsoft, ibm, bea, and oracle.

as for japan, china, and korea ... more power to 'em.  

microsoft is rich, mike, but not necessarily good for the u.s. economy.  think what the i.t. world would have been like if we had read competition in the desktop operating system space?  just imagine ...

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Post time 2004-11-23 03:12:53 |Display all floors

apple macintrash

"microsoft is rich, mike, but not necessarily good for the u.s. economy. think what the i.t. world would have been like if we had read competition in the desktop operating system space? just imagine ..."

you mean like apple, or free linux software?  the problem, tuspi, is our courts let this get out of control...they basically crushed apple, patended the Windows name(didn't xerox make the first windows?), and are trying to kill linux.

it's not that their aren't othe rproducts, but the courts are siding with M$...if real competition would be better for the economy, then the courts are to blame for it not being like this.

lindows...a linux OS that costs $40USD(?)...is easier to install than windows, and probably more, stable, and secure.    A couple years back MS filed suit against lindows.com because they were stealing the Windows name!  what a crock of shit!  I just went to the website last night...it's called linspire.com now...looks like MS Windows won the battle, again.

lindows is catchy...windows is not.  walmart, last year, put in stores dell, HP computers with lindows on them...catchy lindows probably made some sells, but probably not linspire...we'll see.

MS point of view about security: MS belivers often claim that linux isn't really more secure...it's just that virus writers write bugs for the windows platform, as it will do more damage since the majority (90%) of home users are windows users.

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