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Post time 2005-6-27 23:58:34 |Display all floors
u know...when you guys talk about the untold and not so well known to the world atrocities commited by japanese troops in china in the 1930s many ppl on this forum will rebuttal u by saying "forgive and forget whats past is past look towards the future......"blah blah

so my point is when they start criticising cultural revolution mao ze dong problems that happened in the past 50 years why do u guys not use the same defense because same thing applies here man....

u must stand up ok dont just keep swearing and being racist u gotta put forward a good argument so to keep the game fair china doesnt deserve so much double standards and hypocrisy but its freedom of speech so its much better to construct a strong point of view

of course i tolerate good and bad news because thats how u learn but not extremes on both sides or double standards they bust be debunked

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Post time 2005-6-28 07:29:19 |Display all floors

Good point

but.....

The Chinese hold Mao ze dong up to a high pedestal even though he has done much wrong. We know the Japanese did wrong but we do not put them on a high pedestal.
Can you see the double standard?

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Post time 2005-6-28 12:43:30 |Display all floors

Mr. Fish, you are wrong.....

.....the Chinese government has "rated" Mr. Mao as being "70% good and 30% bad".....

So they are very honest about themselves...


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Post time 2005-6-28 12:46:56 |Display all floors

Mr. Fish, Malaysians are also pretty practical....

...we rated Doctor Mahathir as "70% good and 30% bad"....

ha ha ha ha ha

Middle Kingdom nations all seem to have same political factional democracy, and a professional bureacracy. (that includes Korea, Japan and Taiwan) - too bad if you guys couldn't "SEE" that similarities.......each faction has their own media backing...(except Sillypore)

cheerios!

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Post time 2005-6-28 13:12:58 |Display all floors

iluv2fish is a student of Seneca College, hasn't graduated yet, hehe

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Post time 2005-6-28 14:38:02 |Display all floors

Indian sage confused.

bendent ;  you have just sank your own boat. In your first paragraph you said that the Chinese would advocate ' forgive and forget...' as far as Japanese atrocities on her Asian neighbours are concerned. WRONG. We are keen to remember and unforgiving especially when the same people are planning to become militaristic again.

Now Mao's exploits are all avaiable and ready to be examined. The conclusions people derive or draw may be different but the facts are never hidden. Unlike the Nanjing massacre which the Japanese would like to wish it away .

It may help if we say that the British contend that  the massacre at the ' Blackhole of Calcutta ' never happened. One should be concise in distinguishing the availability of facts and the varied opinions and conclusions which can arise from the said facts. Hypocrisy is to preach something good and do the opposite. They are worlds apart.

Confucius said " Understand the subject thoroughly before opening that mouth ; flies may get in otherwise."

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Post time 2005-6-28 16:43:24 |Display all floors

Re: hey come here chinese ppl

No, you should not forget what the Japanese, you yourself or others have done in the past. It is essential to know one's own and others' history.

Neither should you forgive. What we say is that you should not attach the mindset of the old Japanese society on today's Japanese people. They weren't responsible for the atrocities committed, and they don't deserve your hatred.

You, the Chinese, indeed the world, is somewhat disturbed by the fact that the Japanese government hasn't publicly apologized and paid for the damages. We are also concerned about the Japanese prime minister celebrating old war heroes. And that the government is trying to censor some text books is also widely criticized. All this deserves to be criticized.

But then again, before criticizing someone, must clean up one's own dirty laundry. China has had its fair portion of killing and demolishing, in more recent times. China's text books are in great need of a major update.

Before the Chinese can freely discuss their own history and mistakes committed, there is little point in criticizing the Japs. It is a matter of having a clear consciense.

As the world sees it, the Chinese government is currently riding on the nationalist wave to steer away public dissent with the domestic problems, and also to steer away from the obvious conflict of having a marxist government resorting to capitalism and other tools that "just work".

So you really should criticize the Japanese for what they have done, and for what they are doing. But the critique need to be civilized -- smashing the windows of Japanese companies and attacking Japanese civilians is not civlized. And you also have to clean up your own mess if you want your critique to be credible. Do you see the difference?

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