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Post time 2005-1-10 07:10:40 |Display all floors
Let's break the whole Taiwan issue down to the different parties involved:

China
- Legal claim on Taiwan (Cairo Declaration, Joint Communique, etc...)
- Legal basis for invading Taiwan (anti-seccession law)
- Military means for utter destruction of the island (600 missiles, modernized amphibious attack capabilities, advanced nuke subs, etc...)
- Economic power (Taiwan's economy will increasingly rely on China's demand)
- International influence (security council)

International Community
- Degrading sense of ethics and human rights (EU lifting arms ban)
- Gambling on China's rise (large capital in-flow)
- America's deteriorating credibility (not required to defend Taiwan)

Taiwan
- no need to mention (nobody cares anyways)
- 22 million people (freedom = utter destruction)

It's clear, justice is on China's side. People in Taiwan should thank China's for their tolerance with the Taiduers.

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Post time 2007-3-27 15:42:11 |Display all floors
how can something be doomed when it has existed for a long time and been doing quite well actually?

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Post time 2007-3-27 15:46:10 |Display all floors
exactly

its hard to imagine why they (taiwan) would even ponder the thought of destroying something theyve worked so hard to build up

the only way to take it back is by military power

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"It ain't no thang but a chicken wing."

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Post time 2007-3-27 16:14:10 |Display all floors
Originally posted by socrateets at 2007-3-27 15:42
how can something be doomed when it has existed for a long time and been doing quite well actually?


Ohh yeah the Taiwan's 'R O C' constitution still claims that they are the legitimate ruler of China, not just Taiwan island.

Why don't they change it?
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Post time 2007-3-28 00:54:04 |Display all floors

Reply #4 --- northwest's post...

Probably trying to adhere to the 'one-china' policy supported by many nations.

If those proposing that Taiwan and mainland China refuse to acknowledge Taiwan is, or can ever be independent, what is wrong with Taiwan claiming they are united under Taiwan government leadership?

Proponents in of a unified China in this forum insist that mainland China is the legitimate ruler of Taiwan.

If unification is to occur, I don't think either side is willing to sacrifice full and final authority of governing the respective territory.  More likely to be a commonwealth relationship.

If that does not suit you, what criteria do you propose in determining which characteristics of the current Taiwan government/laws should be retained, and which should be superceded by mainland China's?  Or maybe vice versa...

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Post time 2007-3-28 02:20:48 |Display all floors

Taiwan Can Only Be Lost Through Complacence

Look at what extremes the Yanks are taking to quash commercial cooperation with China in even dual use areas:

"Diversified industrial manufacturer ITT Corp. has admitted sending classified night-vision technology used by the U.S. military to China and will pay $100 million penalty, the U.S. Justice Department said Tuesday.

According to a written plea agreement to be filed in U.S. District Court in Roanoke, Va., ITT (nyse: ITT - news - people ) will plead guilty to one count each of export of defense articles without a license and omission of statements of material facts in arms exports reports.

The $100 million penalty includes a $2 million criminal fine, the forfeiture of $28 million in illegal proceeds to the United States, and $20 million to the State Department.

The remaining $50 million penalty will be suspended for five years and the White Plains, N.Y.-based company can reduce it on a dollar-for-dollar basis by investing in the development and fielding of more advanced night-vision technology so the U.S. military can maintain its advantage on the battlefield, according to DOJ."

Why is China still blithely buying airplanes from Boeing, which sells military aircrafts and missiles to Taiwan, seriously jeopardizing the life and safety of the brave PLA soldiers, and the national security of China?

Under the regime of the current Anti-Secession laws, China should impose commensurate fines on all entities selling arms to Taiwan, to discourage and punish conduct that can possibly damage China's national security.   If you scale these numbers, the American defense companies owe China about a trillion dollars, with half of that to be suspended for five years, to be reduced on a dollar-for-dollar basis if they invest in development and fielding of more advanced  technology so the Chinese military can maintain its advantage on the Taiwan Strait.

Actually, to take it one step further, a commensurate fine should be imposed on all entities that contribute to any political personage or party that promote Taidu, no matter where they are.  Hit them where it hurts - in the pocketbook.  That's the only sure way of preventing war.

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Post time 2007-3-28 02:28:12 |Display all floors
"  If you scale these numbers, the American defense companies owe China about a trillion dollars"

How do you figure?! Defence corps don't owe the mainland government anything - only the US Treasury does, through the issuing of Treasury bonds.

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