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Author: ceciliazhang    Time: 2019-8-15 14:44:19     Title: Is the US to blame for what is going on in Hong Kong?

By Curtis Stone

The chaos and violence in Hong Kong reached a new and troubling level on Tuesday. Radical protesters at Hong Kong’s airport seized a journalist from the Global Times, bound his hands and feet, and beat him. Images and videos of the extreme violence quickly circulated online, prompting anger in China and around the world.

These rioters have also thrown gasoline bombs at police and hurt tourists from the Chinese mainland. The shocking footage should serve as a reminder that the protests have devolved into mindless thuggery that goes against every law and regulation in any country and region.

As the protesters step up violence, it is obvious that what started as a protest against an extradition bill has become much more extreme. Other than lawful and peaceful demonstrations, the protests have gone far beyond their original intent. Chinese officials have pointed out that the situation in Hong Kong has the hallmarks of a “color revolution,” and evidence has emerged that foreign forces have interfered with the situation.

However, a question being raised is if the US is to blame for what is going on in Hong Kong.

Some Western media outlets are even claiming that China is blaming the United States and the West for the external interference to cover up internal problems.

US President Donald Trump on Tuesday said that many are blaming him and the United States for the problems going on in Hong Kong, adding that he cannot imagine why.

Well, not a single US politician has condemned the violence in Hong Kong. Rather, they have fanned the flames by sticking their noses into Hong Kong affairs.

There is no question that the United States has its hand in what is going on in Hong Kong, though to what extent is hard to measure.

Last Thursday, reports revealed a meeting between Julie Eadeh, the political unit chief for the US Consulate General in Hong Kong, and leading “Hong Kong Independence” activists. Their meeting in a hotel was captured by a Hong Kong citizen who posted the photo on social media.

The Trump administration has clearly signaled its support for protesters in Hong Kong. Officials have met with Hong Kong separatists in Washington and Hong Kong; there has been a host of public statements by US politicians and officials; and American flags have become a staple feature of the violent protests.

Two years ago, when violence broke out in Charlottesville, Virginia, US politicians condemned the violence and some called it terrorism. On the two-year anniversary, Hillary Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee for 2016, took to social media to remind people about the dangers of violence, calling the person who drove a car into a crowd of people “a neo-Nazi.” However, hours later, in a separate tweet, Clinton called for support of the rioters in Hong Kong. It is a classic example of the double standard the United States applies to China.

Countries with rule of law have zero tolerance for violence, especially extreme violence, and acts of violence should always be condemned. There is no reason a different standard should apply to China. It is shameful that some US politicians aim to incite chaos in Hong Kong.

Author: JimSlip    Time: 2019-8-16 09:14:14

The 30,000-strong police force of Hong Kong is to blame.

Whether it is of political nature or otherwise, they should stop any disorder because it is their duty.


When a Chinese journalist and a traveler were beaten at the aiport, the police could not offer any help or even came close to the scene, that is very ridiculous.


Why do the local people pay so many taxes to keep the police force if they cannot be protected? Are heroes of police only in TV dramas?

Author: mark069    Time: 2019-8-16 12:01:36

Every large scale protest has "hooligans" who aim to create anarchy and violence and typically don't even share the same ideas as the majority of protestors (in this case, freedom of expression and preserving the two systems agreement).

The bad actors in every protest are typically highlighted by the government in an effort to characterize ALL of the protestors as lawless and criminals.  This is being done by China right now and was done by several southern states in the US during the MArtin Luther King protests of the 1960's.

The US supports the Hong Kong peoples rights under the "one country, two systems" framework which China agreed to in 1997.  They do not support the minority of protestors who engage in violence.
Author: emanreus    Time: 2019-8-16 14:14:16

mark069 Post time: 2019-8-16 12:01
Every large scale protest has "hooligans" who aim to create anarchy and violence and typically don't ...

Re:  " They do not support the minority of protestors who engage in violence."

  Hmm, is that so!!!!

Would you be kind enough to explain to the forumites why "THEY" forward the funds by means of a so called "Hong Kong" bank".   To ensure seamless satisfaction towards the rioters,  a certain lady in charge of H.K. unrest (pictures are in the media)  with immunity from the local authorities did exactly the opposite?   
Author: dostoevskydr    Time: 2019-8-16 15:13:27

What is it all about ?
“In early 2018, a Hong Kong resident killed his pregnant girlfriend in Taiwan, China and escaped back to Hong Kong. Since Hong Kong has no criminal jurisdiction in this case, the SAR government proposed to amend the above two ordinances to extradite the suspect to Taiwan and charge him for murder there...

“However, since the begi­n­ning of amending the two ordinances in this February, some citizens of Hong Kong had various doubts due to lack of knowledge about law and judicial systems in the mainland China. Some people and media with ulterior motives took the opportunity to spread rumours or create social panic in order to thwart the amendment of the ordinance.

“Since June, Hong Kong has witnessed several large-scale rallies against the amendments of the ordinance. The government of Hong Kong SAR suspended the amending procedure on 15th June and stopped relevant legislative work after consulting people from various walks of life in order to restore tranquillity to the society as soon as possible.”



Author: dostoevskydr    Time: 2019-8-16 15:16:17

"However, despite the suspension of the legislative work, violent protests have continued,  Since 12th June, the protests in Hong Kong have completely gone beyond the freedom of assembly, demonstration or protest.

The facts are startling and horrifying. Over the past two months, 461 people have been injured in violent conflicts, including 139 police officers. What is even more indignant... is that some violent radicals have torn up the Basic Law of the Hong Kong SAR, defamed Chinese national emblem and national flag, which seriously violated the law.

Their behaviour has openly offended the national dignity and challenged the bottom line of the ‘one country, two systems’ principle.”

Writ of the "State" has to be established with an IRON HAND.





Author: dostoevskydr    Time: 2019-8-16 15:33:43

This post was edited by dostoevskydr at 2019-8-16 15:53
dostoevskydr Post time: 2019-8-16 15:16
"However, despite the suspension of the legislative work, violent protests have continued,  Since 12 ...

“Some western politicians have publicly stood at the forefront and been backseat drivers, calling white black, making a lot of groundless and irresponsible remarks and allegations, and interfering with Hong Kong affairs.”

Beijing will not allow foreign interference in the matter because Hong Kong is very much a part of China. Hong Kong is China’s Hong Kong. Hong Kong affairs are China’s internal affairs. China will not tolerate the intervention of external forces.

The Chinese central government has solemnly dem­a­nded that certain countries should abide by the basic norms of international law, international relations and their own commitments not to intervene in Hong Kong affairs, and stop supporting violence and interfering in Hong Kong affairs in any form."



Author: dostoevskydr    Time: 2019-8-16 15:34:53

This post was edited by dostoevskydr at 2019-8-16 15:54

“The Chinese central government unswervingly safeguards national sovereignty and Hong Kong’s prosperity and stability, and resolutely stands by the government of Hong Kong SAR (Special Administrative Region) in its administration according to the laws and regulations, supports the Hong Kong police in law enforcement and the Hong Kong judiciary to punish violent criminals in accordance with the law, and appreciates the action of the patriotic citizens of Hong Kong to defend the rule of law in Hong Kong.”

Author: pnp    Time: 2019-8-16 15:44:43

"Is the US to blame for what is going on in Hong Kong?"

For answer, look no further than the video of the US consul officer meeting with rioters!  Caught red handed!
Author: pnp    Time: 2019-8-16 15:48:59

mark069 Post time: 2019-8-16 12:01
Every large scale protest has "hooligans" who aim to create anarchy and violence and typically don't ...

"They do not support the minority of protestors who engage in violence."

The US is exerting "maximum pressure" on China, that is its stated goal, and HK rioters are just one of its pawns!!  Other pawn  is Taiwan region!
Author: emanreus    Time: 2019-8-16 15:49:21

dostoevskydr Post time: 2019-8-16 15:16
"However, despite the suspension of the legislative work, violent protests have continued,  Since 12 ...

Good News:

  Five arrested in Hong Kong for taking down Chinese national flag
     https://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/forum-8-1.htmlfrom shopping centre site and throwing it into sea during protest...
   Officers from police’s organized crime and triad bureau detained four men and a woman, aged 20 to 22, for conspiracy to desecrate national flag...

  Hong Kong’s Harbour City mall  ‘kowtowed to protesters  for allowing ‘rioters’ to remove national flags and toss them into sea...
  Harbour City made a lot of money from mainland tourists and the management should be caned for their cowardliness ...wouldn't mind to give them some foot whipping, better known as bastinado
to make them realize the size of their Krawat...

Author: emanreus    Time: 2019-8-16 16:01:15

pnp Post time: 2019-8-16 15:44
"Is the US to blame for what is going on in Hong Kong?"

For answer, look no further than the video  ...

Not sure if H.K. would be able to shut down the US Mission...

   Perhaps the Middle Kingdom need to help to eliminate the Joint and have them start fresh...

    About 99.9% of ALL foreign dictatorship would seize immediate and uncle Sam would be able to concentrate on home affairs...
   Would't that be great, to stop the shooting-killing-drugs and foreign warfare's around the planet and take care of their own people...  

Author: emanreus    Time: 2019-8-16 16:15:26

pnp Post time: 2019-8-16 15:44
"Is the US to blame for what is going on in Hong Kong?"

For answer, look no further than the video  ...

Yes,
  
  Rather sad to see uncle Sam going down like that
Author: Newtown    Time: 2019-8-16 19:31:36

dostoevskydr Post time: 2019-8-16 15:34
“The Chinese central government unswervingly safeguards national sovereignty and Hong Kong’s prosp ...

"The Chinese central government unswervingly safeguards national sovereignty"

What actions - not mere words - have been done to achieve that in HK ?
Author: Liononthehunt    Time: 2019-8-17 10:07:53

Newtown Post time: 2019-8-16 19:31
"The Chinese central government unswervingly safeguards national sovereignty"

What actions - not  ...

You will see very soon...
Author: Fred9    Time: 2019-8-17 10:52:01

This situation show that capitalism will require injections of socialist policy to provide subsidies and benefits for the poor. Capitalist at times also require socialism policy by government to intervene and stimulate growth.
Author: Newtown    Time: 2019-8-18 07:27:59

Fred9 Post time: 2019-8-17 10:52
This situation show that capitalism will require injections of socialist policy to provide subsidies ...

It's reasonably clear that the hundreds of thousands of HK protesters are not "poor" and the issue of economic growth there is not the focus of their attentions. You've missed the mark here by quite a long way.
Author: Newtown    Time: 2019-8-18 07:29:16

Liononthehunt Post time: 2019-8-17 10:07
You will see very soon...

Seeing is believing - the demonstrations have continued for 11 weeks running with nothing to show that anything significant has been done to change the situation.
Author: pnp    Time: 2019-8-18 11:06:26

Newtown Post time: 2019-8-18 07:29
Seeing is believing - the demonstrations have continued for 11 weeks running with nothing to show  ...

That's because BJ is holding back its most effective weapon!
Author: emanreus    Time: 2019-8-18 14:59:31

pnp Post time: 2019-8-18 11:06
That's because BJ is holding back its most effective weapon!

Well, to tell you the truth, we need them Rioters a bit longer to clean up the ex Colonial mess and let certain folks depart freely to their second passport Countries...

We must do as Boris Johnson did; dismantles cabinet in reshuffle, building a government around people who love their Country. NOT foreign second  passport...
Author: dostoevskydr    Time: 2019-8-18 15:34:21

emanreus Post time: 2019-8-18 14:59
Well, to tell you the truth, we need them Rioters a bit longer to clean up the ex Colonial mess an ...


Author: Newtown    Time: 2019-8-18 15:41:25

pnp Post time: 2019-8-18 11:06
That's because BJ is holding back its most effective weapon!

What would that be - pandas ?
Author: Newtown    Time: 2019-8-18 15:42:35

emanreus Post time: 2019-8-18 14:59
Well, to tell you the truth, we need them Rioters a bit longer to clean up the ex Colonial mess an ...

Great advice - start by kicking out all of the foreigners on the mainland who have duel Chinese citizenship. Right ?
Author: msrong    Time: 2019-8-19 01:42:14

Newtown Post time: 2019-8-18 15:42
Great advice - start by kicking out all of the foreigners on the mainland who have duel Chinese ci ...

You recommend following Trump's example of kicking out Mexicans in the US for a whiter America?
Author: Newtown    Time: 2019-8-19 15:48:49

msrong Post time: 2019-8-19 01:42
You recommend following Trump's example of kicking out Mexicans in the US for a whiter America?

That appears to be the strategy that this poster is advocating.
Author: emanreus    Time: 2019-8-19 16:50:31

msrong Post time: 2019-8-19 01:42
You recommend following Trump's example of kicking out Mexicans in the US for a whiter America?

UK is following their sugar daddy...

  Mr. Letts, a British-Canadian national who converted to Islam had his British citizenship revoked, sparking a diplomatic row with Canada...

    Letts has dual British-Canadian citizenship. The move means that the repatriation of Letts will become the responsibility of Canada, rather than the UK...

Canada is disappointed that the United Kingdom has taken this unilateral action to off-load their responsibilities...

  Then Home Secretary Sajid Javid revoked the citizenship of British ISIS bride Shamima Begum earlier this year...
Author: YowieChen    Time: 2019-8-19 19:00:15

Hong Kong radicals need to be crushed by the   military , political parties should be sacked and corrupt politicians jailed . China is the best country in the world and it will no longer let Hong Kong protect corrupt politicians or criminals .
Go china and end this threat to the world.
Author: Newtown    Time: 2019-8-20 10:21:38

YowieChen Post time: 2019-8-19 19:00
Hong Kong radicals need to be crushed by the   military , political parties should be sacked and cor ...

At present Hong Kong represents a "threat to the world". How does that work ? HK is part of China so therefore it is part of "the best country in the world" so that means nothing need be changed or done about the current unrest there.
Author: emanreus    Time: 2019-8-20 15:10:16

YowieChen Post time: 2019-8-19 19:00
Hong Kong radicals need to be crushed by the   military , political parties should be sacked and cor ...

Not by the military, but by H.K. own people...

   Normal people; the one not getting paid for rioting will get sick and tired of the traitors and teach them a lesson... or two...
Author: emanreus    Time: 2019-8-21 13:47:44

emanreus Post time: 2019-8-16 15:49
Good News:

  Five arrested in Hong Kong for taking down Chinese national flag

re:  "Good News:

  Five arrested in Hong Kong for taking down Chinese national flag
     https://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/forum-8-1.htmlfrom shopping centre site and throwing it into sea during protest..."

  Update: unfortunately, One of our brave foreign Judges told the police to drive them bastards home...

  Sad, but true...
Author: Liononthehunt    Time: 2019-8-21 19:17:48

Newtown Post time: 2019-8-20 10:21
At present Hong Kong represents a "threat to the world". How does that work ? HK is part of China  ...

You are taking leave of your senses as always,
D Trump claims the US is the best country in the world, but look at the drugs problem, gun violence, rampant racism, ever-widening wealth gap the Americans are struggling with, does uncle sam have to do something to fix all the messes?
Author: Newtown    Time: 2019-8-22 07:51:33

emanreus Post time: 2019-8-21 13:47
re:  "Good News:

  Five arrested in Hong Kong for taking down Chinese national flag

That's the system of justice for you. What do you want instead - lynch mobs ?
Author: huaqiao    Time: 2019-8-22 14:57:06

Newtown Post time: 2019-8-22 07:51
That's the system of justice for you. What do you want instead - lynch mobs ?
That's the system of justice for you. What do you want instead - lynch mobs ?


What justice? They were caught with throwing the national flag down the sea. No punishment was given by the bias foreign judge. That is how the western justice system operates and that is why many criminals are roaming free due to a "technicality".
Author: Liononthehunt    Time: 2019-8-23 09:10:02

Newtown Post time: 2019-8-22 07:51
That's the system of justice for you. What do you want instead - lynch mobs ?

HK's judiciary system is backing the mobsters in actuality, a radical overhaul is badly needed to right the ship...
Author: emanreus    Time: 2019-8-24 14:22:38

Newtown Post time: 2019-8-18 15:42
Great advice - start by kicking out all of the foreigners on the mainland who have duel Chinese ci ...


  No need, non Chinese blood will shift their asses as a secondary passport holder as soon as the going get tough...they know too well that they're cannon fodder for their Masters at home...  
Author: emanreus    Time: 2019-8-25 17:15:14

dostoevskydr Post time: 2019-8-18 15:34

The very truth about Hong Kong rioting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrZvlhizKb0
Author: emanreus    Time: 2019-8-25 17:21:47

Newtown Post time: 2019-8-18 15:42
Great advice - start by kicking out all of the foreigners on the mainland who have duel Chinese ci ...

re: "Great advice - start by kicking out all of the foreigners on the mainland who have duel Chinese ci ..."


Only certain foreigners need to be removed from H.K.
    You may select them yourself...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrZvlhizKb0




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