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Post time 2019-4-17 19:14:01 |Display all floors
Lion Air co-founder lashes out at Boeing's handling of accidents

Indonesian entrepreneur Rusdi Kirana accuses the plane manufacturer of looking down on his airline and treating it as 'Third World'

Reuters | April 16, 2019

The co-founder of Indonesia's Lion Air, one of two airlines that lost passengers and crew in recent crashes involving the 737 Max, has lashed out at Boeing's handling of the accidents as the potential business fallout from the jet's grounding.

Rusdi Kirana said a recent apology by Boeing over the 346 lives lost in the two disasters, firstly at Lion Air in October and then at Ethiopian Airlines last month, stood in contrast to what he viewed as hasty earlier criticism of Lion Air's pilots.

Mr Kirana also accused Boeing of treating him as a "piggy bank". Lion Air has spent tens of billions of dollars on plane orders with Boeing to become one of Asia's largest budget airlines. The Indonesian entrepreneur is the figurehead for what is now one of the plane manufacturer's largest customers with 187 jets on order and 200 already delivered.

Lion Air threatened in December to axe those orders, but has given no further update.

Boeing has embarked on a campaign following the two crashes to restore faith in its best-selling jet and pledged to remove any risk that anti-stall software, suspected of pushing the two planes downwards, could be activated by erroneous data. In November, following an interim report on the Lion Air crash, it voiced questions over whether pilots had used correct procedures.

Mr Kirana said the contrasting reactions demonstrated that Boeing was taking fast-growing airlines such as his for granted.
“They look down on my airline and my country even though relations are always handled in a proper way. They treat us as Third World," Mr Kirana said. "They also look down on me. They look at me as their piggy bank," he said in his first interview since the Ethiopian crash. Mr Kirana's comments – by far the strongest since the crash off Indonesia last October – underscore the depth of a recent rift between Boeing and Lion Air, which has been balking at taking delivery of Boeing jets worth $21 billion at list prices.

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Post time 2019-4-18 08:14:14 |Display all floors
Boeing's problems are mounting and things are going to get worse before they get better

Business Insider | Apr. 13, 2019

•        Boeing has been through a tough month as it faces a bevy of lawsuits and investigations.
•        However, it may have even more serious and fundamental issues to confront such as fixing the design flaw in 737 Max, regaining the trust of passengers and crew, and maybe even coming up with a replacement for the 737 Max.
•        The global fleet of 371 Boeing 737 Max airliners have been grounded since the crash of Ethiopian Airlines Flight ET302.

It's been a tough 30 days for Boeing. In the month since the tragic crash of Ethiopian Airlines Flight ET302, the American aviation giant has seen its hot-selling 737 Max airliner grounded, its stock plunged 10%, and its reputation tarnished by the scandal.

Boeing admitted last week that a faulty sensor triggered the 737 Max's Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System or MCAS on both the Lion Air Flight JT610 and the Ethiopian Airlines plane. The system's activation precipitated nose dives that likely led to both crashes.

"The 737 Max grounding and what we are learning from it shows that this is not the typical airplane accident we've seen in the past and this is not the typical airplane grounding we've seen recently," Henry Harteveldt, travel industry analyst and founder of Atmosphere Research Group, told Business Insider. "This is a very serious problem for Boeing and a big problem for the airline operators and a problem I don't think will be easy to fix.”

Boeing’s reputation has been stained by the 737 Max, and it's going to have to fight to convince people the plane is safe. This week, Boeing investors filed a proposed class-action lawsuit in Chicago alleging the company defrauded its shareholders by failing to reveal potential safety shortcomings of the 737 Max airliner after two fatal crashes in five months.

Lawyers representing the 346 victims of Lion Air Flight JT610 and the Ethiopian crash have filed multiple suits against Boeing. At the same time, the airlines whose 371 grounded 737 Max are sitting in storage collecting dust have initiated compensation proceedings to collect damages from Boeing. Boeing's troubles are mounting and things are going to get worse before it gets better. The US Department of Transportation has commenced an audit on how the Federal Aviation Administration managed to certify the 737 Max to fly with substantial control issues. Boeing and the FAA's cozy relationship has come under scrutiny from members of Congress. Certification issues aside, Boeing will have to answer for the design flaw that is at the heart of the controversy surrounding the 737 Max in the coming weeks and months. To fit the Max's larger, more fuel-efficient engines, Boeing had to position the engine farther forward and up. This change disrupted the plane's center of gravity and caused the Max to have a tendency to tip its nose upward during flight, increasing the likelihood of a stall. In response, Boeing created MCAS as a software fix to automatically counteract that tendency and point the nose of the plane down when the plane's angle-of-attack (AOA) sensor triggers a warning. "MCAS was a band-aid that infected the wound instead of healing it," Ross Aimer, an aviation consultant and former Boeing 787 training captain, said in an interview with Business Insider. One of the most confounding issues with MCAS is that it can be triggered by a single AOA sensor even though there are two on the plane. This is a departure from Boeing standard operating procedure which normally calls for a dual point of failure.

"Since you have two (AOA sensors) in order to get certified, why not use them, I just don't understand it," aviation consultant and former aeronautical engineer Robert Mann told Business Insider in an interview. "From a design perspective, it doesn't make any sense." Pilots and passengers don't trust the 737 Max. One of the 737 Max's greatest selling points was the idea that it could be easily integrated into existing 737 fleets with minimal additional training. Since the 737 has long been one of the most dependable airplanes in the world, this congruency helped make the 737 Max a hot seller. However, the 737 Max is a very different plane from the 737NG it replaced. It has new engines mounted in a different location, redesigned wings, and new avionics. These are all things the pilots knew about. What they didn't know was that MCAS had been installed on the 737 Max. Pilots found out about MCAS being on the plane after the Lion Air 737 Max crash into the Java Sea on October 28. "Boeing in the past always told the pilots and airlines exactly what was on those airplanes," Aimer said. "I have been a Boeing pilot for over 50 years and have loved their products, but they have lost my trust." Aimer, who is the CEO of Aviation Consulting Experts and a retired United Airlines Captain, feels like Boeing put money ahead of the well-being of passengers and crew.

"Boeing kept that from us purely because they didn't want to bother the airlines with some extra training," he told us. "This was purely a monetary decision on behalf of Boeing and the airlines themselves to keep this away from the pilots and the result was disastrous."

And then there's the traveling public. A poll conducted by Business Insider a week after the Ethiopian crash showed that 53% of American adults would not want to fly on a Boeing 737 Max even after the FAA clears the aircraft for service. The 737 Max has stained Boeing's brand reputation," Harteveldt said. "This can't be denied”.

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Post time 2019-4-18 12:20:07 |Display all floors
This post was edited by emanreus at 2019-4-18 12:21
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Boeing's problems are mounting and things are going to get worse before they get better

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re:  . "This was purely a monetary decision on behalf of Boeing and the airlines themselves to keep this away from the pilots and the result was disastrous."

Makes one wonder if this decision contributed to the dead of so many people...

One must remember;  Former Volkswagen engineer Oliver Schmidt (VW’s “Dieselgate”) was an US henchman and was led into a federal courtroom in Detroit in handcuffs and leg irons for the Emissions scandal in which nobody died...
    He was wearing a blood-red jumpsuit, his head was shaved...
An U.S. District judge sentenced him to seven years in prison and received USD 25 billion in fines and penalties from Volks Wagen.
   Such a huge penalties for VW in the U.S. makes One wonder how much Boeing must compensate them families

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Post time 2019-4-18 19:24:02 |Display all floors
emanreus Post time: 2019-4-18 12:20
re:  . "This was purely a monetary decision on behalf of Boeing and the airlines themselves to ke ...

Not even close.


The Boeing 737 MAX disaster has all the necessary characteristics of criminal negligence because the pilots were not informed of the MCAS software which reacts to sensors to prevent stall conditions. The frantic pilots didn’t know about the MCAS software which forced the two ascending planes downwards due to faulty sensors. Boeing intentionally withheld information about the secretive MCAS software from their customers in order to sell them the 737 MAX as though they were the same planes as the older 737 models.  The problem is that the 737 MAX is a different plane even though the airframe itself is based on the original 737 design dating back to 1967! That’s because Boeing decided to use a bigger engine which didn’t fit into the original 737 airframe but placed it a little forward and above the wingspan. This design decision changed the center of gravity of the 737 MAX which affected its aerodynamic stability during rapid ascent. Under certain conditions, the modified 737 plane with the larger engines would lift upwards and tends to stall thus causing it to fall. To remedy this defect, Boeing came up with a software fix called MCAS which would react to sensors in order to push the plane downwards to prevent stall conditions.

If Boeing had told their airline customers about this design flaw and their MCAS software fix, no company would have bought the 737 MAX. As it were, Boeing wanted to compete against the Airbus A320neo so they came up with this clever but flawed design. They knew that about this design flaw which is why they came up with their MCAS software fix. But that software didn’t fix the flaw but made it worse under certain conditions which led to two crashes in less than five months.

VW are still selling gasoline cars after they were forced to recall their diesel models which failed to meet US emissions standards. But Boeing does NOT have any replacement for the 737 MAX model whose order backlog exceed 5,000 planes.

Sorry to say this but Boeing is bust.

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