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Post time 2019-1-29 20:35:20 |Display all floors
Football generates more money .......so they get more money......heres a tip/ dont encourage your child to play a worthless sport.  ...
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Post time 2019-1-30 12:36:35 |Display all floors
Chinese soccer players used to be good -- at a time that top players did not rake in that much money.

Isn't it true, you would ask, that financial incentives will push sports performance to a higher level?

Not necessarily.  Some of the best-scoring teams in the world aren't rich nations which can afford paying their team members big bucks.

If you don't believe me then just look at the small and poor country of Croatia -- its national soccer team was the youngest to occupy the top 10 in the FIFA World Rankings in 2018.  The Croatian team reached the knockout stage at the end of the World Cup -- nearly capturing the top honor -- while the Chinese team was still wandering near the lower end of the totem pole.

Soccer is widely supported throughout Croatia because it is a cheap sport requiring only a pair of shoes and an empty flat plot of land on which to play. Most of Croatia's home matches are played at the Stadion Maksimir in Zagreb or some other smaller venues.

Like I said, they are one of the youngest national teams to reach the knockout stage of a major tournament in history, and also to occupy the top 10 in the FIFA World Rankings in 2018.

So a lot of people are wondering why the Crotians can do that while highly-paid Chinese players are lagging behind Middle Eastern countries, let alone East Asian powerhouses like Japan and South Korea.

I think the reason why Chinese soccer players are performing so poorly as a national team is mainly psychological.  They lack the self confidence to play well in front of a jeering crowd precisely because they've been having too many laowai coaches who aren't fashioning their coaching methods according to the specific needs of Chinese players.

What do Chinese players need?

More time to practice together as a national team with the right kind of motivation -- patriotism and spirit of cooperation -- and not money per se.

The trouble with the present system is that members of the national team do not link their performance at the international tournament level with honor but with money, and foreign coaches are the worst sources of such inspiration because none of them understand Chinese culture and history to a level required for their coaching positions in China.

China is a big country.  The national team members hail from vastly different regions of the country.  They might be good at playing for their provincial teams, but when they come to train together with equally-talented players from other regional teams they easily lose their self-confidence.  

Those other players also happen to be their competitors in terms of monetary reward and fame in the national games, it is hard to cultivate a truly comradely, cooperative spirit among the best players because they are only thinking of how they can impress the investors by scoring their own goals, and not the honor of the country.

Soccer is mostly a cooperative sport that entails the highest level of pre-game physical, emotional and spiritual motivation possible.

Firing the foreign coaches is the first step in improving the performance of the national team.

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Post time 2019-1-30 16:21:05 |Display all floors
wchao37 Post time: 2019-1-30 01:46
Chinese soccer players used to be good -- at a time that top players did not rake in that much money ...
Some of the best-scoring teams in the world aren't rich nations which can afford paying their team members big bucks.


For the poorest in such countries, playng football with their peers (sometime even without a real ball) is the highight of many children's day, and becoming a professional player is a dream for many to break out of that poverty. They often lack other opportunities.

That's the big mass where the relatively few talents come from.

The players in the national teams of these countries often have their career in Europe and elsewhere, where they do earn big bucks. They also gain more experience there, and periodically return that value to their national teams. That's how those natonal teams succeed.

This is what is "missing" in China, compared to countries in South America or Africa. China does not have the volume of young kids who have to dream of football career as their only hope.

Overall, I believe Chinese kids, even in the poorest places, do not need football as their way out of poverty - they have other ways.

Someone else could say, that because there are other ways, they are not given the time to play enough football or any sports. They spend their time with school work, and increasingly only school work - as opposed to skipping school to help family with farm work.

On the other hand, there are also wealthy countries that are succesfull on football (for example Germany). I don't think that even these richest countries pay a lot to their national team players - the players get their income from clubs they represent off national team. A million USD for FIFA trophy perhaps, but that's pocket change for those players.

How have these countries become succesfull? First of all, they have developed the sport in their respective countries for a hundred years. Secondly, they have the money to attract the previously mentioned talents from poorer countries, which the local players learn from too.

Besides the highly developed sport systems,, the societies overall in those countries are more developed. If a future star from Brazil is considering between Europe or China, Chinese team would have to offer more money to compensate both for less developed sport, and less developed society.

As far as looking at examples elsewhere goes, this is a dilemma for China - the country can be considered both under-developed or over-developed, so it does not fit into how any other country has succeedded in football.

It is over-developed to learn from South America or Africa, and under-developed to learn from Europe.

In this case China needs to find it's own way, but personally I think that there is no such way if succeeding against other countries is the goal.

Searching in patriotism or spirit of cooperation doesn't hurt, but at best it can help to deal with continued losses.

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Post time 2019-1-30 16:38:10 |Display all floors
petera Post time: 2019-1-27 11:35
Perhaps

But what about big sport like professional tennis, football, golf and so on ? They are us ...

So western countries should put struggling wildlife animals - tigers, bears, elephants, rhinos, whales, birds etc. - into the land that is allocated for playground space ? How do you think these critters would get along with the human species as their near neighbors ? Lots of very strong fences, or would Chinese style walls work better to maintain some degree of separation ?

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parcher Post time: 2019-1-29 20:35
Football generates more money .......so they get more money......heres a tip/ dont encourage your ch ...

Absolutely

If China encourage football the supporters will end up fighting, stabbing, kicking opponents heads in. Like I read in some west countries


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Post time 2019-1-30 17:30:51 |Display all floors
Newtown Post time: 2019-1-30 16:38
So western countries should put struggling wildlife animals - tigers, bears, elephants, rhinos, wh ...

Imbecilic

A typically imbecilic reply. Urban, suburban and rural reserves would greatly benefit dozens of species of birds, small mammals and reptiles. Tigers, and elephants are not native to the West and need not have been mentioned. What idiocy caused you to mention whales which the West drove to the brink of extinction ?
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Post time 2019-1-30 18:11:02 |Display all floors
BBSdotPOLICE Post time: 2019-1-30 17:17
Absolutely

If China encourage football the supporters will end up fighting, stabbing, kicking opp ...

The potential is there yes   ..
give them just one glass of baiju and the rest will take care of itself.....
we could even have 50,000 bruce lee's practicing their skills at the next WC.....
should a miracle happen and china qualify....... Triple that figure
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