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Adam Taylor

Updated October 22, 2018

SAUDI Arabia offered an explanation on Saturday for what had happened to journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul, 17 days after he went missing at the kingdom’s consulate in Istanbul.

But even though the kingdom finally confirmed that Khashoggi had died inside the consulate, as Turkish officials had alleged, the Saudi account of how that happened conflicts with information from other sources, and key details appear to be missing.

Below are nine questions that the Saudi kingdom still needs to answer.

1) Was Khashoggi really considering a return to Saudi Arabia?

The Saudi statement said that the “suspects” in Khashoggi’s killing had travelled to Turkey to meet with the journalist as he had suggested he was interested in returning home. However, Khashoggi had travelled to the consulate with his fiancée, Turkish national Hatice Cengiz, who has said that her partner was seeking a document from the Saudi government that would allow them to wed.

Khashoggi himself had told friends that he was suspicious of attempts to lure him back to the kingdom. “He said: ‘Are you kidding? I don’t trust them one bit’,” after one such attempt Khaled Saffuri, an Arab-American political activist, recounting to The Washington Post.

2) If this was just a discussion, why did at least 15 men travel to Istanbul for the meeting?

The Saudi government account suggests that at the start, the discussion with Khashoggi inside the

event began as a discussion, but soon turned negative and turned into a “a fight and a quarrel between some of [the suspects] and the citizen”.

However, Saudi Arabia says it has detained a total of 18 people for their involvement in Khashoggi’s death, and the Turkish government has linked 15 people to Khashoggi, Saudi citizens who had arrived at the consulate shortly before the journalist disappeared and who left hours later.

It is not clear why such a big group of people would be needed for a discussion about a willing return to Saudi Arabia.

3) Why did this Saudi group include a forensic expert and members of security forces?

Again, if this was a simple discussion, it would seem unnecessary to send members of the Saudi security services. However, The Post has found that at least 12 of the alleged hit team identified by Turkish authorities had some kind of link to the kingdom’s security services.

One of the suspects, Salah Muhammed al-Tubaigy, was a forensic expert known for pioneering rapid and mobile autopsies. Bruce Riedel, a former CIA official and Brookings fellow who has written a book about Saudi-US relations, said this stuck out to him.

“I can’t think of an alternative of why you would need a forensics expert unless you were covering up evidence of a crime,” Reidel told The Post.

4) What actually happened inside the consulate?

The Saudi account describes “a fight or a quarrel” in the consulate — a wording that implies a physical dispute between two sides. However, Khashoggi had entered the facility on his own and was apparently meeting a team of 15 men, suggesting at least that the two sides were not equal.

Turkish officials are believed to have played to CIA counterparts an audio recording that was made inside the consulate that could shed some light on what happened. The recording could provide key clues into what happened to Khashoggi — including whether his death was intentional or whether he was tortured.

5) What happened to Khashoggi’s body?

Even though Saudi Arabia now admits that the journalist died inside the consulate, their statement on Saturday did not reveal what happened to the body. Early speculation suggested that Khashoggi’s body parts may have been taken out of the country, although Turkish authorities recently searched rural areas near Istanbul. A Saudi source told Reuters on Friday that the whereabouts of Khashoggi’s body were unclear after it was handed over to a “local cooperator”.

6) Why did Saudi Arabia say he had left the consulate when he had not?

When Khashoggi didn’t return from the consulate, his partner, Cengiz, who was waiting outside, raised the alarm. However, Saudi officials repeatedly told reporters that the journalist had left the consulate by a back entrance shortly after he arrived and that they too were concerned about his fate.

Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman repeated this line in an interview with Bloomberg News on Oct 5. “My understanding is he entered and he got out after a few minutes or one hour,” the Saudi royal said. “I’m not sure. We are investigating this through the foreign ministry to see exactly what happened at that time.”

7) How could Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman not have known?

The Saudi account makes no suggestion that the crown prince knew about what had happened to Khashoggi. Indeed, he has been tapped by his father, King Salman, to lead a commission that is designed to review and “modernise” the kingdom’s intelligence operations after the death of the journalist.

The 33-year-old Mohammed bin Salman is widely considered the real power in Saudi Arabia, however, and he has led the drive to modernise the country. Some experts also say that he is behind a clampdown on free speech. “This never would have happened without MBS’s approval. Never, never, never,” a former senior US diplomat told The Post shortly after Khashoggi disappeared.

Saud al-Qahtani, an adviser to the crown prince, was among those fired on Saturday. He had previously been behind attempts to lure Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia, according to US officials. After the kingdom’s announcement on Saturday, a message he had written on Twitter last year was shared widely on social media.

“Do you think I can act by myself without taking orders/guidance?” Qahtani’s message had read. “I am an employee and a trustworthy executive to the orders of the king and the crown prince.”

8) Are the men detained by Saudi Arabia actually the same men that were identified by Turkish authorities?

The Saudi government said that 18 people had been arrested. It was unclear, however, whether these people included the same 15 suspects who had been identified by Turkish authorities. A report on the Saudi-owned al-Arabiya news channel had previously said that the 15 were “tourists” who had been falsely accused.

9) Why did it take 17 days to come up with this account?

More than two weeks have passed since Khashoggi disappeared. Whatever the answers to the rest of the questions on this list, it is remarkable that it took so long for the kingdom to reveal that Khashoggi had died — and that when Riyadh finally admitted culpability in his death, it did so with a story that will convince few of its critics.

Thomas Juneau, an expert on Saudi Arabia at the University of Ottawa, wrote on Twitter that the situation had exposed the “weakness of Saudi administrative capacity” and that there was “a general impression things were botched”.

Source: The Washington Post

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Turkey's Erdogan says Saudi officials planned to murder Jamal Khashoggi days before his death

Raf Sanchez,The Telegraph  21 minutes ago

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan today revealed new details in the murder of Saudi Arabian journalist Jamal Khashoggi, as he broke his three-week-long silence on the case.

In an address to his party in parliament, Mr Erdogan said the murder of the Washington Post columnist was "planned" days in advance and several members of the so-called hit squad arrived in Istanbul ahead of Khashoggi’s disappearance to scope out a forest.

Mr Erdogan said Turkey would not accept Saudi Arabia’s explanation that the killing was a rogue operation carried out by intelligence officials and implied he believed it was ordered by senior leaders.

The president said there were many questions that are still unanswered by Saudi Arabia: “Why have there been so many inconsistent statements made? Why is it that the body is nowhere to be found?”

Mr Erdogan has said he will "go into detail" about a case that has shocked the world and raised suspicions that a 15-man Saudi team planned Khashoggi's killing after he walked into the consulate on Oct. 2, and then attempted to cover it up.

The Turkish president’s speech adds to pressure on Riyadh, which has been facing a wave of international scepticism since it announced over the weekend that Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince, was not involved in the killing.


Mr Erodgan posed a series of questions to the Saudi government, demanding to know where Mr Khashoggi’s body was and to know the name of the “local collaborator” which Saudi Arabia says hid the corpse.

He asked “on whose orders” the team of soldiers, spies and a forensic expert flew into Istanbul and why people with those skill sets had been assembled.

He also demanded to know why Saudi officials had not immediately opened the consulate for inspection, instead stalling for more than a week before allowing a search.


“Until these questions are answered, no one should give the slightest though to this matter being covered up,” he said.

Top Turkish officials have said Turkey would clarify exactly what happened to Khashoggi

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We will have to hear what Erdogan has to say.
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Saul Post time: 2018-10-23 20:40
We will have to hear what Erdogan has to say.

Nothing else to hear but the Western media is a bit worried to bring the News.

His body parts been found in a well, and the butchers were told to dismantle him while alive...

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emanreus Post time: 2018-10-23 07:50
Nothing else to hear but the Western media is a bit worried to bring the News.

His body parts be ...

the Western media is a bit worried to bring the News....


The killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul was “a very savage murder” and had been premeditated, Turkey‘s president has said.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan addressed his country's parliament on the latest details about the death of Khashoggi at the Saudi Arabian consulate in the Turkish capital on 2 October, feared to have been the work of a Saudi hit squad who then attempted to cover it up.

President Erdogan gave further details on exactly what happened to Khashoggi as international pressure on the kingdom intensified.

After initially denying any knowledge of Khashoggi’s fate, Saudi Arabia gave a new story on Saturday, saying he died in a “fistfight”.
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Suspects should be tried in Turkey, Erdogan says, after 18 arrested in Saudi Arabia
The Associated Press · Posted: Oct 23, 2018 5:53 AM ET

Saudi officials killed Jamal Khashoggi in their Istanbul Consulate after plotting his death for days, Turkey's president said Tuesday, contradicting Saudia Arabia's explanation that the journalist was accidentally killed. He demanded that the kingdom reveal the identities of all involved, regardless of rank.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan also said he wants Saudi Arabia to allow 18 suspects that it detained for the Saudi's killing to be tried in Turkish courts, setting up further complications with the Saudi government, which has said it is conducting its own investigation and will punish those involved.

Saudi Arabia has described the suspects as rogue operators, even though officials linked to Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman have been implicated in the killing.

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"To blame such an incident on a handful of security and intelligence members would not satisfy us or the international community," Erdogan said in a speech to ruling party lawmakers in parliament.

"Saudi Arabia has taken an important step by admitting the killing. As of now, we expect of them to openly bring to light those responsible — from the highest ranked to the lowest — and to bring them to justice," the Turkish president said.

Erdogan's speech was previously pitched as revealing the "naked truth" about Khashoggi's slaying. Instead, it served to officially detail information already circulated by anonymous officials and the Turkish media in the days since the Washington Post columnist and U.S. permanent resident walked into the consulate on Oct. 2.

However, Erdogan kept pressure on the kingdom with his demands for Turkish prosecution of the suspects as well as punishment for the plot's masterminds.

"All evidence gathered shows that Jamal Khashoggi was the victim of a savage murder. To cover up such a savagery would hurt the human conscience."

Crown prince implicated
Erdogan mentioned information that was earlier leaked by Turkish sources, including reports of 15 Saudi officials arriving in private jets shortly before Khashoggi's death as well as a man, apparently dressed in the writer's clothes, acting as a possible decoy by walking out of the consulate on the day of the disappearance.

"Why did these 15 people all with links to the event gather in Istanbul on the day of the murder? We are seeking answers. Who did these people get their orders from to go there? We are seeking answers," Erdogan said.

"When the murder is so clear, why were so many inconsistent statements made? Why is the body of a person who has officially been accepted as killed still not around?"

International skepticism has intensified since Saudi Arabia said on Saturday that Khashoggi, who had criticized the crown prince in his writing, died in a brawl. The case has shocked the world and raised suspicions that a Saudi hit squad killed Khashoggi after he entered the consulate, and then attempted to cover it up.

Before Erdogan's announcement, top Turkish officials said Turkey would clarify exactly what happened to Khashoggi. A stream of leaks to national and international media has increased pressure on Saudi Arabia, which is hosting a glitzy investment conference this week that many dignitaries have decided to skip because of the scandal.

"As we all know, these are difficult days for us in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia," Energy Minister Khalid al-Falih told attendees seated in an ornate hall during the opening of the conference in Riyadh.

"Nobody in the kingdom can justify it or explain it. From the leadership on down, we're very upset of what has happened," al-Falih said

Saudi Arabia said it arrested suspects and several top intelligence officials were fired over the killing, but critics alleged that the punishment was designed to absolve Prince Mohammed of any responsibility.

On Monday, leaked surveillance video showed a man strolling out of the diplomatic post hours after Khashoggi disappeared into the consulate, apparently wearing the columnist's clothes as part of a macabre deception to sow confusion over his fate.

The new video broadcast by CNN, as well as a pro-government Turkish newspaper's report that a member of Prince Mohammed's entourage made four calls to the royal's office from the consulate around the same time, put more pressure on the kingdom. Meanwhile, Turkish investigators swarmed a garage Monday night in Istanbul where a Saudi consular vehicle had been parked.

Saudi Arabia's foreign minister, meanwhile, said Tuesday the investigation into the killing of Khashoggi would produce the truth about what happened and that his country was committed to ensuring "that the investigation is thorough and complete and that the truth is revealed and that those responsible will be held to account."

Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir, in Indonesia, also pledged that mechanisms will be put in place so that "something like this can never happen again."

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Saul Post time: 2018-10-23 21:23
Suspects should be tried in Turkey, Erdogan says, after 18 arrested in Saudi Arabia
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Be patient, the Western Media is more controlled as any other Media in the world.

  What I stated in post 4 still stands.

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